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Those who live out of U.S. with Socialized Medicine
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Emily65Roses
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*bangs head against the wall* Having universal health care does not necessarily equal socialized medicine. You can have health care for everyone without having the government run it!!!
Emily65Roses
New member
*bangs head against the wall* Having universal health care does not necessarily equal socialized medicine. You can have health care for everyone without having the government run it!!!
Emily65Roses
New member
*bangs head against the wall* Having universal health care does not necessarily equal socialized medicine. You can have health care for everyone without having the government run it!!!
Emily65Roses
New member
*bangs head against the wall* Having universal health care does not necessarily equal socialized medicine. You can have health care for everyone without having the government run it!!!
Emily65Roses
New member
*bangs head against the wall* Having universal health care does not necessarily equal socialized medicine. You can have health care for everyone without having the government run it!!!
A few things
Shamrock, I see your point & you are correct: no money or insurance, or inadequate insurance equals no transplant and that doesn't seem right to me either. I was actually facing this possibility once and that's what prompted me to finally apply for disability, so I could get Medicare. Luckily, I haven't needed that transplant yet *whew*.
Just some musings here...
I have to wonder if paying extra taxes would be just about the same amount of money as we pay for our share of employee sponsored insurance now anyway? In some cases, it could be less. We pay over $200 now a month for employee sponsored insurance coverage & another $90some for Medicare Part B, so we could swing an additional $300 in taxes per month and break even.
Then there is the flip side...people that can't afford insurance now have no choice but to be forced to pay extra taxes, but maybe they would be willing to, just to have insurance?
I would be for the gov't providing money to uninsured people for insurance premiums, or rather just paying the insurance companies directly so the money goes where it's supposed to go.
Another thing I would love is if there were some way to cap the amount of money that doctors can charge for certain procedures, but I suppose that's impossible. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous!
There are pros and cons no matter which way you go...
Shamrock, I see your point & you are correct: no money or insurance, or inadequate insurance equals no transplant and that doesn't seem right to me either. I was actually facing this possibility once and that's what prompted me to finally apply for disability, so I could get Medicare. Luckily, I haven't needed that transplant yet *whew*.
Just some musings here...
I have to wonder if paying extra taxes would be just about the same amount of money as we pay for our share of employee sponsored insurance now anyway? In some cases, it could be less. We pay over $200 now a month for employee sponsored insurance coverage & another $90some for Medicare Part B, so we could swing an additional $300 in taxes per month and break even.
Then there is the flip side...people that can't afford insurance now have no choice but to be forced to pay extra taxes, but maybe they would be willing to, just to have insurance?
I would be for the gov't providing money to uninsured people for insurance premiums, or rather just paying the insurance companies directly so the money goes where it's supposed to go.
Another thing I would love is if there were some way to cap the amount of money that doctors can charge for certain procedures, but I suppose that's impossible. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous!
There are pros and cons no matter which way you go...
A few things
Shamrock, I see your point & you are correct: no money or insurance, or inadequate insurance equals no transplant and that doesn't seem right to me either. I was actually facing this possibility once and that's what prompted me to finally apply for disability, so I could get Medicare. Luckily, I haven't needed that transplant yet *whew*.
Just some musings here...
I have to wonder if paying extra taxes would be just about the same amount of money as we pay for our share of employee sponsored insurance now anyway? In some cases, it could be less. We pay over $200 now a month for employee sponsored insurance coverage & another $90some for Medicare Part B, so we could swing an additional $300 in taxes per month and break even.
Then there is the flip side...people that can't afford insurance now have no choice but to be forced to pay extra taxes, but maybe they would be willing to, just to have insurance?
I would be for the gov't providing money to uninsured people for insurance premiums, or rather just paying the insurance companies directly so the money goes where it's supposed to go.
Another thing I would love is if there were some way to cap the amount of money that doctors can charge for certain procedures, but I suppose that's impossible. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous!
There are pros and cons no matter which way you go...
Shamrock, I see your point & you are correct: no money or insurance, or inadequate insurance equals no transplant and that doesn't seem right to me either. I was actually facing this possibility once and that's what prompted me to finally apply for disability, so I could get Medicare. Luckily, I haven't needed that transplant yet *whew*.
Just some musings here...
I have to wonder if paying extra taxes would be just about the same amount of money as we pay for our share of employee sponsored insurance now anyway? In some cases, it could be less. We pay over $200 now a month for employee sponsored insurance coverage & another $90some for Medicare Part B, so we could swing an additional $300 in taxes per month and break even.
Then there is the flip side...people that can't afford insurance now have no choice but to be forced to pay extra taxes, but maybe they would be willing to, just to have insurance?
I would be for the gov't providing money to uninsured people for insurance premiums, or rather just paying the insurance companies directly so the money goes where it's supposed to go.
Another thing I would love is if there were some way to cap the amount of money that doctors can charge for certain procedures, but I suppose that's impossible. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous!
There are pros and cons no matter which way you go...
A few things
Shamrock, I see your point & you are correct: no money or insurance, or inadequate insurance equals no transplant and that doesn't seem right to me either. I was actually facing this possibility once and that's what prompted me to finally apply for disability, so I could get Medicare. Luckily, I haven't needed that transplant yet *whew*.
Just some musings here...
I have to wonder if paying extra taxes would be just about the same amount of money as we pay for our share of employee sponsored insurance now anyway? In some cases, it could be less. We pay over $200 now a month for employee sponsored insurance coverage & another $90some for Medicare Part B, so we could swing an additional $300 in taxes per month and break even.
Then there is the flip side...people that can't afford insurance now have no choice but to be forced to pay extra taxes, but maybe they would be willing to, just to have insurance?
I would be for the gov't providing money to uninsured people for insurance premiums, or rather just paying the insurance companies directly so the money goes where it's supposed to go.
Another thing I would love is if there were some way to cap the amount of money that doctors can charge for certain procedures, but I suppose that's impossible. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous!
There are pros and cons no matter which way you go...
Shamrock, I see your point & you are correct: no money or insurance, or inadequate insurance equals no transplant and that doesn't seem right to me either. I was actually facing this possibility once and that's what prompted me to finally apply for disability, so I could get Medicare. Luckily, I haven't needed that transplant yet *whew*.
Just some musings here...
I have to wonder if paying extra taxes would be just about the same amount of money as we pay for our share of employee sponsored insurance now anyway? In some cases, it could be less. We pay over $200 now a month for employee sponsored insurance coverage & another $90some for Medicare Part B, so we could swing an additional $300 in taxes per month and break even.
Then there is the flip side...people that can't afford insurance now have no choice but to be forced to pay extra taxes, but maybe they would be willing to, just to have insurance?
I would be for the gov't providing money to uninsured people for insurance premiums, or rather just paying the insurance companies directly so the money goes where it's supposed to go.
Another thing I would love is if there were some way to cap the amount of money that doctors can charge for certain procedures, but I suppose that's impossible. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous!
There are pros and cons no matter which way you go...
A few things
Shamrock, I see your point & you are correct: no money or insurance, or inadequate insurance equals no transplant and that doesn't seem right to me either. I was actually facing this possibility once and that's what prompted me to finally apply for disability, so I could get Medicare. Luckily, I haven't needed that transplant yet *whew*.
Just some musings here...
I have to wonder if paying extra taxes would be just about the same amount of money as we pay for our share of employee sponsored insurance now anyway? In some cases, it could be less. We pay over $200 now a month for employee sponsored insurance coverage & another $90some for Medicare Part B, so we could swing an additional $300 in taxes per month and break even.
Then there is the flip side...people that can't afford insurance now have no choice but to be forced to pay extra taxes, but maybe they would be willing to, just to have insurance?
I would be for the gov't providing money to uninsured people for insurance premiums, or rather just paying the insurance companies directly so the money goes where it's supposed to go.
Another thing I would love is if there were some way to cap the amount of money that doctors can charge for certain procedures, but I suppose that's impossible. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous!
There are pros and cons no matter which way you go...
Shamrock, I see your point & you are correct: no money or insurance, or inadequate insurance equals no transplant and that doesn't seem right to me either. I was actually facing this possibility once and that's what prompted me to finally apply for disability, so I could get Medicare. Luckily, I haven't needed that transplant yet *whew*.
Just some musings here...
I have to wonder if paying extra taxes would be just about the same amount of money as we pay for our share of employee sponsored insurance now anyway? In some cases, it could be less. We pay over $200 now a month for employee sponsored insurance coverage & another $90some for Medicare Part B, so we could swing an additional $300 in taxes per month and break even.
Then there is the flip side...people that can't afford insurance now have no choice but to be forced to pay extra taxes, but maybe they would be willing to, just to have insurance?
I would be for the gov't providing money to uninsured people for insurance premiums, or rather just paying the insurance companies directly so the money goes where it's supposed to go.
Another thing I would love is if there were some way to cap the amount of money that doctors can charge for certain procedures, but I suppose that's impossible. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous!
There are pros and cons no matter which way you go...
A few things
Shamrock, I see your point & you are correct: no money or insurance, or inadequate insurance equals no transplant and that doesn't seem right to me either. I was actually facing this possibility once and that's what prompted me to finally apply for disability, so I could get Medicare. Luckily, I haven't needed that transplant yet *whew*.
Just some musings here...
I have to wonder if paying extra taxes would be just about the same amount of money as we pay for our share of employee sponsored insurance now anyway? In some cases, it could be less. We pay over $200 now a month for employee sponsored insurance coverage & another $90some for Medicare Part B, so we could swing an additional $300 in taxes per month and break even.
Then there is the flip side...people that can't afford insurance now have no choice but to be forced to pay extra taxes, but maybe they would be willing to, just to have insurance?
I would be for the gov't providing money to uninsured people for insurance premiums, or rather just paying the insurance companies directly so the money goes where it's supposed to go.
Another thing I would love is if there were some way to cap the amount of money that doctors can charge for certain procedures, but I suppose that's impossible. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous!
There are pros and cons no matter which way you go...
Shamrock, I see your point & you are correct: no money or insurance, or inadequate insurance equals no transplant and that doesn't seem right to me either. I was actually facing this possibility once and that's what prompted me to finally apply for disability, so I could get Medicare. Luckily, I haven't needed that transplant yet *whew*.
Just some musings here...
I have to wonder if paying extra taxes would be just about the same amount of money as we pay for our share of employee sponsored insurance now anyway? In some cases, it could be less. We pay over $200 now a month for employee sponsored insurance coverage & another $90some for Medicare Part B, so we could swing an additional $300 in taxes per month and break even.
Then there is the flip side...people that can't afford insurance now have no choice but to be forced to pay extra taxes, but maybe they would be willing to, just to have insurance?
I would be for the gov't providing money to uninsured people for insurance premiums, or rather just paying the insurance companies directly so the money goes where it's supposed to go.
Another thing I would love is if there were some way to cap the amount of money that doctors can charge for certain procedures, but I suppose that's impossible. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous!
There are pros and cons no matter which way you go...
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>
The DMV.
The Post Office.
Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.
The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.
Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.
And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.
What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.
I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.</end quote></div>
The last time I checked, our life expenctency is right on par with yours. Taken from the ccff:
As of 2002, the median age of survival of Canadians with cystic fibrosis is 37 years of age.
I would also like to note that the countries with the highest life expectencies....guess what...they have socialized medicine...hell some of them even have freaking resort like hospitals they can go to when they are sick. Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
Lynda, you are right. Why should you have to pay taxes for universal health care for healthy people that just sit on their buts. Hey, for that matter, why should the healthy people who do work have to pay for the sick people? Because it's what is right. I'm trying not to be offensive here, but it's that mentality that is wrong with the world, and more specifically, your country. Why should you lower greenhouse gases if it will mess up your economy. Why should you consume less resources for next generations when you want what you want now.
I hate freaking politics. It makes me sick. It's all about money, greed...i dunno, manifest destiny maybe.
Bush says fighting greenhouse gases will cost the economy..what...hundreds of billions...a couple trillion maybe. Hey here's an idea....stop spending 500 billion a year on your freaking military.
sorry, a little off topic. But seriously...for a country that spends more money trying to kill people then helping its own citizens, it really makes me think.
I would also like to note that there are american citizens that come over here and take advantage of our health care. At least when we go over there, we pay for what we take <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
The DMV.
The Post Office.
Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.
The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.
Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.
And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.
What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.
I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.</end quote></div>
The last time I checked, our life expenctency is right on par with yours. Taken from the ccff:
As of 2002, the median age of survival of Canadians with cystic fibrosis is 37 years of age.
I would also like to note that the countries with the highest life expectencies....guess what...they have socialized medicine...hell some of them even have freaking resort like hospitals they can go to when they are sick. Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
Lynda, you are right. Why should you have to pay taxes for universal health care for healthy people that just sit on their buts. Hey, for that matter, why should the healthy people who do work have to pay for the sick people? Because it's what is right. I'm trying not to be offensive here, but it's that mentality that is wrong with the world, and more specifically, your country. Why should you lower greenhouse gases if it will mess up your economy. Why should you consume less resources for next generations when you want what you want now.
I hate freaking politics. It makes me sick. It's all about money, greed...i dunno, manifest destiny maybe.
Bush says fighting greenhouse gases will cost the economy..what...hundreds of billions...a couple trillion maybe. Hey here's an idea....stop spending 500 billion a year on your freaking military.
sorry, a little off topic. But seriously...for a country that spends more money trying to kill people then helping its own citizens, it really makes me think.
I would also like to note that there are american citizens that come over here and take advantage of our health care. At least when we go over there, we pay for what we take <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>
The DMV.
The Post Office.
Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.
The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.
Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.
And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.
What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.
I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.</end quote></div>
The last time I checked, our life expenctency is right on par with yours. Taken from the ccff:
As of 2002, the median age of survival of Canadians with cystic fibrosis is 37 years of age.
I would also like to note that the countries with the highest life expectencies....guess what...they have socialized medicine...hell some of them even have freaking resort like hospitals they can go to when they are sick. Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
Lynda, you are right. Why should you have to pay taxes for universal health care for healthy people that just sit on their buts. Hey, for that matter, why should the healthy people who do work have to pay for the sick people? Because it's what is right. I'm trying not to be offensive here, but it's that mentality that is wrong with the world, and more specifically, your country. Why should you lower greenhouse gases if it will mess up your economy. Why should you consume less resources for next generations when you want what you want now.
I hate freaking politics. It makes me sick. It's all about money, greed...i dunno, manifest destiny maybe.
Bush says fighting greenhouse gases will cost the economy..what...hundreds of billions...a couple trillion maybe. Hey here's an idea....stop spending 500 billion a year on your freaking military.
sorry, a little off topic. But seriously...for a country that spends more money trying to kill people then helping its own citizens, it really makes me think.
I would also like to note that there are american citizens that come over here and take advantage of our health care. At least when we go over there, we pay for what we take <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
The DMV.
The Post Office.
Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.
The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.
Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.
And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.
What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.
I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.</end quote></div>
The last time I checked, our life expenctency is right on par with yours. Taken from the ccff:
As of 2002, the median age of survival of Canadians with cystic fibrosis is 37 years of age.
I would also like to note that the countries with the highest life expectencies....guess what...they have socialized medicine...hell some of them even have freaking resort like hospitals they can go to when they are sick. Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
Lynda, you are right. Why should you have to pay taxes for universal health care for healthy people that just sit on their buts. Hey, for that matter, why should the healthy people who do work have to pay for the sick people? Because it's what is right. I'm trying not to be offensive here, but it's that mentality that is wrong with the world, and more specifically, your country. Why should you lower greenhouse gases if it will mess up your economy. Why should you consume less resources for next generations when you want what you want now.
I hate freaking politics. It makes me sick. It's all about money, greed...i dunno, manifest destiny maybe.
Bush says fighting greenhouse gases will cost the economy..what...hundreds of billions...a couple trillion maybe. Hey here's an idea....stop spending 500 billion a year on your freaking military.
sorry, a little off topic. But seriously...for a country that spends more money trying to kill people then helping its own citizens, it really makes me think.
I would also like to note that there are american citizens that come over here and take advantage of our health care. At least when we go over there, we pay for what we take <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>
The DMV.
The Post Office.
Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.
The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.
Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.
And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.
What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.
I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.</end quote></div>
The last time I checked, our life expenctency is right on par with yours. Taken from the ccff:
As of 2002, the median age of survival of Canadians with cystic fibrosis is 37 years of age.
I would also like to note that the countries with the highest life expectencies....guess what...they have socialized medicine...hell some of them even have freaking resort like hospitals they can go to when they are sick. Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
Lynda, you are right. Why should you have to pay taxes for universal health care for healthy people that just sit on their buts. Hey, for that matter, why should the healthy people who do work have to pay for the sick people? Because it's what is right. I'm trying not to be offensive here, but it's that mentality that is wrong with the world, and more specifically, your country. Why should you lower greenhouse gases if it will mess up your economy. Why should you consume less resources for next generations when you want what you want now.
I hate freaking politics. It makes me sick. It's all about money, greed...i dunno, manifest destiny maybe.
Bush says fighting greenhouse gases will cost the economy..what...hundreds of billions...a couple trillion maybe. Hey here's an idea....stop spending 500 billion a year on your freaking military.
sorry, a little off topic. But seriously...for a country that spends more money trying to kill people then helping its own citizens, it really makes me think.
I would also like to note that there are american citizens that come over here and take advantage of our health care. At least when we go over there, we pay for what we take <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
The DMV.
The Post Office.
Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.
The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.
Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.
And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.
What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.
I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.</end quote></div>
The last time I checked, our life expenctency is right on par with yours. Taken from the ccff:
As of 2002, the median age of survival of Canadians with cystic fibrosis is 37 years of age.
I would also like to note that the countries with the highest life expectencies....guess what...they have socialized medicine...hell some of them even have freaking resort like hospitals they can go to when they are sick. Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
Lynda, you are right. Why should you have to pay taxes for universal health care for healthy people that just sit on their buts. Hey, for that matter, why should the healthy people who do work have to pay for the sick people? Because it's what is right. I'm trying not to be offensive here, but it's that mentality that is wrong with the world, and more specifically, your country. Why should you lower greenhouse gases if it will mess up your economy. Why should you consume less resources for next generations when you want what you want now.
I hate freaking politics. It makes me sick. It's all about money, greed...i dunno, manifest destiny maybe.
Bush says fighting greenhouse gases will cost the economy..what...hundreds of billions...a couple trillion maybe. Hey here's an idea....stop spending 500 billion a year on your freaking military.
sorry, a little off topic. But seriously...for a country that spends more money trying to kill people then helping its own citizens, it really makes me think.
I would also like to note that there are american citizens that come over here and take advantage of our health care. At least when we go over there, we pay for what we take <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>
The DMV.
The Post Office.
Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.
The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.
Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.
And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.
What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.
I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.</end quote>
The last time I checked, our life expenctency is right on par with yours. Taken from the ccff:
As of 2002, the median age of survival of Canadians with cystic fibrosis is 37 years of age.
I would also like to note that the countries with the highest life expectencies....guess what...they have socialized medicine...hell some of them even have freaking resort like hospitals they can go to when they are sick. Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
Lynda, you are right. Why should you have to pay taxes for universal health care for healthy people that just sit on their buts. Hey, for that matter, why should the healthy people who do work have to pay for the sick people? Because it's what is right. I'm trying not to be offensive here, but it's that mentality that is wrong with the world, and more specifically, your country. Why should you lower greenhouse gases if it will mess up your economy. Why should you consume less resources for next generations when you want what you want now.
I hate freaking politics. It makes me sick. It's all about money, greed...i dunno, manifest destiny maybe.
Bush says fighting greenhouse gases will cost the economy..what...hundreds of billions...a couple trillion maybe. Hey here's an idea....stop spending 500 billion a year on your freaking military.
sorry, a little off topic. But seriously...for a country that spends more money trying to kill people then helping its own citizens, it really makes me think.
I would also like to note that there are american citizens that come over here and take advantage of our health care. At least when we go over there, we pay for what we take <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
The DMV.
The Post Office.
Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.
The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.
Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.
And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.
What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.
I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.</end quote>
The last time I checked, our life expenctency is right on par with yours. Taken from the ccff:
As of 2002, the median age of survival of Canadians with cystic fibrosis is 37 years of age.
I would also like to note that the countries with the highest life expectencies....guess what...they have socialized medicine...hell some of them even have freaking resort like hospitals they can go to when they are sick. Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
Lynda, you are right. Why should you have to pay taxes for universal health care for healthy people that just sit on their buts. Hey, for that matter, why should the healthy people who do work have to pay for the sick people? Because it's what is right. I'm trying not to be offensive here, but it's that mentality that is wrong with the world, and more specifically, your country. Why should you lower greenhouse gases if it will mess up your economy. Why should you consume less resources for next generations when you want what you want now.
I hate freaking politics. It makes me sick. It's all about money, greed...i dunno, manifest destiny maybe.
Bush says fighting greenhouse gases will cost the economy..what...hundreds of billions...a couple trillion maybe. Hey here's an idea....stop spending 500 billion a year on your freaking military.
sorry, a little off topic. But seriously...for a country that spends more money trying to kill people then helping its own citizens, it really makes me think.
I would also like to note that there are american citizens that come over here and take advantage of our health care. At least when we go over there, we pay for what we take <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>
The DMV.
The Post Office.
Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.
The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.
Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.
And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.
What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.
I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.</end quote>
The last time I checked, our life expenctency is right on par with yours. Taken from the ccff:
As of 2002, the median age of survival of Canadians with cystic fibrosis is 37 years of age.
I would also like to note that the countries with the highest life expectencies....guess what...they have socialized medicine...hell some of them even have freaking resort like hospitals they can go to when they are sick. Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
Lynda, you are right. Why should you have to pay taxes for universal health care for healthy people that just sit on their buts. Hey, for that matter, why should the healthy people who do work have to pay for the sick people? Because it's what is right. I'm trying not to be offensive here, but it's that mentality that is wrong with the world, and more specifically, your country. Why should you lower greenhouse gases if it will mess up your economy. Why should you consume less resources for next generations when you want what you want now.
I hate freaking politics. It makes me sick. It's all about money, greed...i dunno, manifest destiny maybe.
Bush says fighting greenhouse gases will cost the economy..what...hundreds of billions...a couple trillion maybe. Hey here's an idea....stop spending 500 billion a year on your freaking military.
sorry, a little off topic. But seriously...for a country that spends more money trying to kill people then helping its own citizens, it really makes me think.
I would also like to note that there are american citizens that come over here and take advantage of our health care. At least when we go over there, we pay for what we take <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
The DMV.
The Post Office.
Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.
The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.
Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.
And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.
What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.
I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.</end quote>
The last time I checked, our life expenctency is right on par with yours. Taken from the ccff:
As of 2002, the median age of survival of Canadians with cystic fibrosis is 37 years of age.
I would also like to note that the countries with the highest life expectencies....guess what...they have socialized medicine...hell some of them even have freaking resort like hospitals they can go to when they are sick. Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
Lynda, you are right. Why should you have to pay taxes for universal health care for healthy people that just sit on their buts. Hey, for that matter, why should the healthy people who do work have to pay for the sick people? Because it's what is right. I'm trying not to be offensive here, but it's that mentality that is wrong with the world, and more specifically, your country. Why should you lower greenhouse gases if it will mess up your economy. Why should you consume less resources for next generations when you want what you want now.
I hate freaking politics. It makes me sick. It's all about money, greed...i dunno, manifest destiny maybe.
Bush says fighting greenhouse gases will cost the economy..what...hundreds of billions...a couple trillion maybe. Hey here's an idea....stop spending 500 billion a year on your freaking military.
sorry, a little off topic. But seriously...for a country that spends more money trying to kill people then helping its own citizens, it really makes me think.
I would also like to note that there are american citizens that come over here and take advantage of our health care. At least when we go over there, we pay for what we take <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">