HERE WE GO---UPDATED AND SAD :(

JazzysMom

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Just to clarify....they want to do the story for the having a baby part or for the problems U have had with the higher ups?
 

1princess

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Good luck with the news story - sounds like a good idea. I hope you are able to have a healthy baby soon - I know how much you want one and there is really nothing better in life than children, especially when you have such a happy marriage already.
 

JennifersHope

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Oh my goodness.. My head is spinning from reading all these posts.. and what is even sadder is I posted to this thread and don't even remember... GOsh I scare myself when I think about all the things I don't remember.

Julie.. all I can say to you... is life is so short..it is gone before you know it.. I work in an emergency room where I see ppl with no past medical history who go for a jog and drop dead of a heart attack...I see that often....not just once in a while...now consider our lives.....

I am sort of torn slightly because if you signed an agreement that you would not get pregnant than it sucks to keep your word...but I think I can' t judge anyone about keeping their word...cause Lord knows I am not the first to cast a stone..I would be slaughtered....rightfully so


Sounds to me like you haven't even signed the paper yet about not becomming pregnant and if you didn't.. I would refuse to sign it if that was possible.. Please forgive me if that is just a stupid answer....

Like I said life is short... their is nothing to be done with a regret... it is just there to learn from not to do again....Money will come for that baby.. all you need is love.. and determination and a willingness to take hand me downs... and you are all set.....

I would not and will not put my life on hold for anyone or anything..not my disease not ANYTHING..EXCEPT GOD..and I pray with all my heart that I am listening to him and that I always will listen to HIm.. cause that is what I believe. ( and that is sad because I want to do what my destiny is and I love God very much..and well that is another story)

I feel like I can relate to you in some ways.. I long since gave up the dreams of being a mom.. I just can't allow myself to go there anymore... it is to heartbreaking.I have given up just about all my dreams but one come Heaven of High water.. I am going to be a nurse.. I don't care if I can wait a few years..... withdrawl or whatever... I am doing it..NOW. and at this point I am so tired, worn out and every ounce of me wants to quit.. and say F with a but capital F the world..and just lay down and forget it all. no one knows how bad I want to do that...at least they don't till now but .. I wont ..... at least I don't think.I will... sometimes I feel like I want to call someone and beg them to tell me not to quit..but I am afraid they will tell me to and that would be all I needed to hear cause I am that close.. HA...,,,

DOn't quit...hang on to it for all your worth..... and don't let anyone ruin one step of the pure journey of being a mom.... I believe in you...and I will never tell you to quit..DO it go for it...

Praying for you
Love..

Jennifer
 

julie

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Thanks everyone for the support!

Jen, it's so good to hear from you. I heard you were in the hospital but I didn't know where. Are you doing ok and is everything alright with you?

To clairify, I have NOT yet signed this paper and will PCly refuse to sign it.

I am still not sure what is going on with my reporting. To elaborate a bit more, yesterday I got a phone call from an officer at RSO (not sure what that stands for) and she said, "You are UA". I told her that I had checked into the quarterdeck and they had sent me to the Temporary Placement Unit( TPU). She told me that the ship had instructed me to go to RSO, I told her, "Yes, my chief DID tell me to go there BUT when I drove on the base, none of the security guards had any idea what or where RSO was. So I asked at the Quarterdeck and they had no idea either. They said since I was new, they would stamp my orders and then I was to report to TPU. When I arrived at TPU I asked them about RSO and they told me that I don't check in there, I 'belong' to them and I am just where I need to be". She told me that I needed to be with them at RSO so when I went to muster at 0700 on Wednesday morning, I needed to tell them about her phone call and needed to come see her. She also said that they would probably be flying me out to the ship so I needed to be prepared.

So I told TPU everythig that the officer said to me (she was nice, but I was confused and felt really stuck in the middle). They immediately called the Chief of TPU and he called her. They told me they would take care of it and I had nothing to worry about. My orders were stamped and I was NOT UA. THey told me I didn't need to go over there or call RSO. I started feeling a little bit relieved that they "had my back" and were going to take care of me. I had started feeling hopeless again, like great, they are going to send me out to the ship, this really sucks.... and so on. But after today, I am feeling a bit more like I will be staying with TPU and might (I KEEP PRAYING) be able to do the IVF.

So things are looking a bit up, but as I keep learning, things can change in a moment.

At this point I have told Komo that they aren't actively prohibiting my treatment where I am now, but they might try to fly me out to the ship (not sure how that will work out once I am on the meds for the egg stimulation as I have to be monitored by ultrasound every day) and then my chief will prohobit my treatment. I have been told by a number of people that my chief cannot tell me "you can't get pregnant and if you do I will take you to captais mast". They have told me (as I thought) that "you can't get pregnant" is NOT a lawful order and I can only be taken to mast for a violation of a lawful order. Nevertheless, he can still "try to take me" and make my life miserable for a small amount of time.

I know some of you are getting sick of this, I am sorry, it just really helps to "talk" about it.

Thanks for listening,
 

jimhigginsCF

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Hi Julie,

As former Navy, I could understand all the jargon <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> and brings back a lot of great memories of silly words like "scuttlebutt"..lol.

As for Chief's, their main job is to be a dickhead and a pain in the a**. Don't let him get to you. He's only one person, and there are LOTS out there to contact and get help from.

Unfourunately, not understanding your medical condition (you are trying for pregnancy?), or as to what the doctors want you to take these medications for, I'm not quite clear on.

However, I'm sure you have heard of a small book (well it's pretty big actually), called the USMCJ (United States Code of Military Justice) (USMJ). I'm sure legal aid could help you find answers to to your questions. Also try your ships obudsman to ask for answers and discuss your situation.

I'm sure there must be toll free numbers for military as*istance somewhere in the web as well.

As for Captains mast, that's an empty threat as far as I'm concered. I would mention that you were threatened by him for that, he just might end up at his own Captains mast for being such an a**hole.

Pardon my French, but I'm sure I can't you blush <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

I'm sure they will probably most likely put you on med leave for a given time for your meds and then have you re-join up with the ship at a latter time.

Look to hearing how it goes.

USS Jim departing...(I think 16 bells would suffice) ...lol.. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Emily65Roses

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>jimhigginsCF</b></i><br>
Unfourunately, not understanding your medical condition (you are trying for pregnancy?), or as to what the doctors want you to take these medications for, I'm not quite clear on. <hr></blockquote>

CF leaves something like 98% of men sterile. Not literally, as they still have sperm. But because most are born without a vas deferens, the sperm is stranded in the testicles. Julie's husband Mark has CF. So they're trying to get pregnant using IVF. And because of this, she's on meds to ready her body for the implantation.

I think that's about right, if I'm wrong, someone correct me. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

julie

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Perfect em!! Thanks.

yes Jim, my reproductive organs as a woman are great. My husband does produce sperm but it is in the testicles so they have to retrieve it via a sperm retrieval. He's already had a biopsy and blood tests which show there IS sperm in there. I am about 6 days away from starting the meds that are going to make me produe anywhere from 8-20 eggs, so we'll see how I do. I have an informational, educational website about it, which also lists success stories of others going through the same thing, our journey on this IVF rollercoaster and support for those going through the same thing. It is <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cysticfibrosismaleinfertility.com">www.cysticfibrosismaleinfertility.com</a>.

I did check out the UCMJ, nothing about pregnancy in the specifics that I was looking for. Nothing in the Milpersmanual either or the Navadmin..... This is a relatively new and untouched aspect of pregnancy and nobody is sure how to proceed. One thing is for sure, I am NOT going to give up.

Hope that gives you a bit more information!
 

JazzysMom

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Julie.....I had to LMAO when looking at all the abbreviations used in the USN...I tried to think of things to put in this post that would equal all yours, but none of them would make sense. So I am just going to put them in general to feel that I seem to relate to what you have said....LOL, LMAO, BRB, TTYL, WB, OK?
 

anonymous

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I know this is easer said than done, but really try to relax bc it is harder to concieve if stressed. I wish you luck and totally understand the stress and all the emotions associated with tring to get pregnant. T
 

julie

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It's been a few days, I just wanted to update everyone....

Looks like I will be staying here until my ship returns on 9 February. My chief at TPU got everything settled with RSO. Apparently the Chief on my ship (where I haven't even checked into yet) told RSO he was sending me there temporarly because I wasn't going underway with the ship. Funny thing is, He CAN NOT do that because I haven't checked into the ship and he lead RSO to believe that I was already attached to and on the ship. This chief at TPU figured it out, really great guy, really great. FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, my IVF schedule has changed a bit (for anyone who cares <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> ). I updated it on my website, <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cysticfibrosismaleinfertility.com">www.cysticfibrosismaleinfertility.com</a> but it has changed again so here's the newest version............

1/24/06: Ultrasound and blood work
1/24/06:Tentatively start Follistim injection (egg stimulation medication)
Ultrasounds and blood work every other day until HCG Trigger date
2/2/06: HCG Trigger date (dependent upon reaction to Follistim, may be a +/- a day or two)
2/4/06: Tenative Egg Retrieval date (dependent upon reaction to follistim and trigger date)
2/7/06: Day 3 Transfer back into me (we will choose day 3 or day 5 embryo's dependent on doctors recommendation, grade of embryo's, number of embryo's)
2/9/06: Day 5 transfer back into me (if we don't do day 3 transfer)
2/21/06: PREGNANCY TEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, the only potential problem is the day 5 transfer on the 9th because I am suppose to report to my ship on the morning of the 9th. I am praying that we are able to do a day 3 transfer (all studies I have found don't indicate if day 3 or day 5 transfers are "better") or that the medications work faster than predicted and everything moves up a day or two earlier.

But everything else is finally starting to work out. Just wanted to keep all of you updated. Thanks for the support!!!
 

julie

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It's been a few days, I just wanted to update everyone....

Looks like I will be staying here until my ship returns on 9 February. My chief at TPU got everything settled with RSO. Apparently the Chief on my ship (where I haven't even checked into yet) told RSO he was sending me there temporarly because I wasn't going underway with the ship. Funny thing is, He CAN NOT do that because I haven't checked into the ship and he lead RSO to believe that I was already attached to and on the ship. This chief at TPU figured it out, really great guy, really great. FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, my IVF schedule has changed a bit (for anyone who cares <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> ). I updated it on my website, <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cysticfibrosismaleinfertility.com">www.cysticfibrosismaleinfertility.com</a> but it has changed again so here's the newest version............

1/24/06: Ultrasound and blood work
1/24/06:Tentatively start Follistim injection (egg stimulation medication)
Ultrasounds and blood work every other day until HCG Trigger date
2/2/06: HCG Trigger date (dependent upon reaction to Follistim, may be a +/- a day or two)
2/4/06: Tenative Egg Retrieval date (dependent upon reaction to follistim and trigger date)
2/7/06: Day 3 Transfer back into me (we will choose day 3 or day 5 embryo's dependent on doctors recommendation, grade of embryo's, number of embryo's)
2/9/06: Day 5 transfer back into me (if we don't do day 3 transfer)
2/21/06: PREGNANCY TEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, the only potential problem is the day 5 transfer on the 9th because I am suppose to report to my ship on the morning of the 9th. I am praying that we are able to do a day 3 transfer (all studies I have found don't indicate if day 3 or day 5 transfers are "better") or that the medications work faster than predicted and everything moves up a day or two earlier.

But everything else is finally starting to work out. Just wanted to keep all of you updated. Thanks for the support!!!
 

anonymous

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I think you should name your baby "Rollercoaster" when it gets here to remind everyone of what you went thru to get pregnant!!!
Keep at it girl!
 

anonymous

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I think you should name your baby "Rollercoaster" when it gets here to remind everyone of what you went thru to get pregnant!!!
Keep at it girl!
 

JazzysMom

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As I am sure U are aware of......there is a chance of a multi baby pregnancy. It just dawned on me....I have to share a story. My former CF doctor who had CF himself had a brother who was a Nurse on the CF hospital floor & also had CF. Well the brother was married & they went thru the same thing to have a baby. The implanted 3 eggs hoping one would take. Well all 3 took & they had triplets. 2 boys & 1 girl! Even tho being in the medical profession they realized the chances I dont think they TRULY realized until it happened. I dont know what the % of babies vs eggs implanted is, but I thought it was quite funny. Of course I wasnt the one needing to take care of triplets. My doctor (the PROUD Uncle) also thought it was great! LOL!
 

JazzysMom

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As I am sure U are aware of......there is a chance of a multi baby pregnancy. It just dawned on me....I have to share a story. My former CF doctor who had CF himself had a brother who was a Nurse on the CF hospital floor & also had CF. Well the brother was married & they went thru the same thing to have a baby. The implanted 3 eggs hoping one would take. Well all 3 took & they had triplets. 2 boys & 1 girl! Even tho being in the medical profession they realized the chances I dont think they TRULY realized until it happened. I dont know what the % of babies vs eggs implanted is, but I thought it was quite funny. Of course I wasnt the one needing to take care of triplets. My doctor (the PROUD Uncle) also thought it was great! LOL!
 

julie

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I think we are only going to transfer 2, the doctor said he wouldn't do any more than that with me because I am so young and "fertile". So twins could be a possibility, we are praying for just one because financially and time wise twins will be very difficult at first, but at this point I'll take what God gives us!
 

julie

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I think we are only going to transfer 2, the doctor said he wouldn't do any more than that with me because I am so young and "fertile". So twins could be a possibility, we are praying for just one because financially and time wise twins will be very difficult at first, but at this point I'll take what God gives us!
 
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