Okay I Can't Stand This.

karismom · Jun 19, 2007

<img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0"> Hi Emily,

I just wanted to tell you that I AGREE WITH YOU 110%! alot of people thought that Kari was CRAZY for having TWO tx's but that was her choice! she even tried to get a THIRD!!! she wanted to stay with her daughter for as long as she could. and she and i talk ALL the time of death and her wishes......................... and she wants to actually pass in the hospital the one where she has spent over half of her life with the nurses that know and LOVE her like she was their own. so she can have pain meds etc. also she doesn't want to go at home because she says then it would be too hard for her dad and sister and daughter to be there after that. at first i didn't like the hospital thing but thats what SHE wants. also we have a special "understanding" in a way............when my daughter passes, then SHE was DONE. i would not want her to stay here for one second longer for ANYONE but HERSELF. and when she does pass, YES i will MISS HER terribly but i hope that i will be able to look at it as she is free now. i just wish that EVERYONE could not feel the need to judge others lives. dream on....right?!

peace.

lisa <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

karismom · Jun 19, 2007

<img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0"> Hi Emily,

I just wanted to tell you that I AGREE WITH YOU 110%! alot of people thought that Kari was CRAZY for having TWO tx's but that was her choice! she even tried to get a THIRD!!! she wanted to stay with her daughter for as long as she could. and she and i talk ALL the time of death and her wishes......................... and she wants to actually pass in the hospital the one where she has spent over half of her life with the nurses that know and LOVE her like she was their own. so she can have pain meds etc. also she doesn't want to go at home because she says then it would be too hard for her dad and sister and daughter to be there after that. at first i didn't like the hospital thing but thats what SHE wants. also we have a special "understanding" in a way............when my daughter passes, then SHE was DONE. i would not want her to stay here for one second longer for ANYONE but HERSELF. and when she does pass, YES i will MISS HER terribly but i hope that i will be able to look at it as she is free now. i just wish that EVERYONE could not feel the need to judge others lives. dream on....right?!

peace.

lisa <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

karismom · Jun 19, 2007

<img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0"> Hi Emily,

I just wanted to tell you that I AGREE WITH YOU 110%! alot of people thought that Kari was CRAZY for having TWO tx's but that was her choice! she even tried to get a THIRD!!! she wanted to stay with her daughter for as long as she could. and she and i talk ALL the time of death and her wishes......................... and she wants to actually pass in the hospital the one where she has spent over half of her life with the nurses that know and LOVE her like she was their own. so she can have pain meds etc. also she doesn't want to go at home because she says then it would be too hard for her dad and sister and daughter to be there after that. at first i didn't like the hospital thing but thats what SHE wants. also we have a special "understanding" in a way............when my daughter passes, then SHE was DONE. i would not want her to stay here for one second longer for ANYONE but HERSELF. and when she does pass, YES i will MISS HER terribly but i hope that i will be able to look at it as she is free now. i just wish that EVERYONE could not feel the need to judge others lives. dream on....right?!

peace.

lisa <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

karismom · Jun 19, 2007

<img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0"> Hi Emily,

I just wanted to tell you that I AGREE WITH YOU 110%! alot of people thought that Kari was CRAZY for having TWO tx's but that was her choice! she even tried to get a THIRD!!! she wanted to stay with her daughter for as long as she could. and she and i talk ALL the time of death and her wishes......................... and she wants to actually pass in the hospital the one where she has spent over half of her life with the nurses that know and LOVE her like she was their own. so she can have pain meds etc. also she doesn't want to go at home because she says then it would be too hard for her dad and sister and daughter to be there after that. at first i didn't like the hospital thing but thats what SHE wants. also we have a special "understanding" in a way............when my daughter passes, then SHE was DONE. i would not want her to stay here for one second longer for ANYONE but HERSELF. and when she does pass, YES i will MISS HER terribly but i hope that i will be able to look at it as she is free now. i just wish that EVERYONE could not feel the need to judge others lives. dream on....right?!

peace.

lisa <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

Mockingbird · Jun 19, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I'm not religious and I have more respect for death and the dying than half of the religious people I see floating around. Isn't death supposed to be a good thing to you people? Heaven and all that sh*t? I believe in no such place, and I have more sense about death than half of the people that do believe. </end quote></div>

Please keep in mind that just because someone says they are religious or goes to church every Sunday, that doesn't mean they actually are religious. If you want to know if a person is truly religious or not, look at the way they live their life, or their attitude about death, or whatever.

Anyway, the true Christian attitude about death is summed up in 2 Corinthians 5:1-10. Basically it says we look forward to death, but our ambition is to be pleasing to God. If God wants to grant me a quick realease, I will of course welcome it, but if God wants me to fight until the bitter end, I will fight, even if that means dying in a hospital surrounded by machinery and people I don't know.

I work in a nursing home and pretty much everyone I come across says they would rather kill themselves than be stuck in a nursing home. However, when those people actually reach that point in their life, they find they are not ready for death and their idealism sort of goes down the toilet. In Luke 14:26-33 Jesus said, "If anyone comes after Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him, saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.' Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming to him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions."

I'm hearing a lot of cavalier attitudes about death, but I'm wondering how many of you have actually sat down to calculate the cost to see if you'll actually be able to carry it out. Will you be ready to leave your families? Will you be ready to forsake your hopes and dreams? Wanting to die because of pain is not the same as being ready to die. The one who wants to die cares only for death, for they no longer count anything worth living for; but the one who is ready to die is also at the same time ready to keep living. "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake." Philippians 1:21-24

Mockingbird · Jun 19, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I'm not religious and I have more respect for death and the dying than half of the religious people I see floating around. Isn't death supposed to be a good thing to you people? Heaven and all that sh*t? I believe in no such place, and I have more sense about death than half of the people that do believe. </end quote></div>

Please keep in mind that just because someone says they are religious or goes to church every Sunday, that doesn't mean they actually are religious. If you want to know if a person is truly religious or not, look at the way they live their life, or their attitude about death, or whatever.

Anyway, the true Christian attitude about death is summed up in 2 Corinthians 5:1-10. Basically it says we look forward to death, but our ambition is to be pleasing to God. If God wants to grant me a quick realease, I will of course welcome it, but if God wants me to fight until the bitter end, I will fight, even if that means dying in a hospital surrounded by machinery and people I don't know.

I work in a nursing home and pretty much everyone I come across says they would rather kill themselves than be stuck in a nursing home. However, when those people actually reach that point in their life, they find they are not ready for death and their idealism sort of goes down the toilet. In Luke 14:26-33 Jesus said, "If anyone comes after Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him, saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.' Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming to him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions."

I'm hearing a lot of cavalier attitudes about death, but I'm wondering how many of you have actually sat down to calculate the cost to see if you'll actually be able to carry it out. Will you be ready to leave your families? Will you be ready to forsake your hopes and dreams? Wanting to die because of pain is not the same as being ready to die. The one who wants to die cares only for death, for they no longer count anything worth living for; but the one who is ready to die is also at the same time ready to keep living. "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake." Philippians 1:21-24

Mockingbird · Jun 19, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I'm not religious and I have more respect for death and the dying than half of the religious people I see floating around. Isn't death supposed to be a good thing to you people? Heaven and all that sh*t? I believe in no such place, and I have more sense about death than half of the people that do believe. </end quote></div>

Please keep in mind that just because someone says they are religious or goes to church every Sunday, that doesn't mean they actually are religious. If you want to know if a person is truly religious or not, look at the way they live their life, or their attitude about death, or whatever.

Anyway, the true Christian attitude about death is summed up in 2 Corinthians 5:1-10. Basically it says we look forward to death, but our ambition is to be pleasing to God. If God wants to grant me a quick realease, I will of course welcome it, but if God wants me to fight until the bitter end, I will fight, even if that means dying in a hospital surrounded by machinery and people I don't know.

I work in a nursing home and pretty much everyone I come across says they would rather kill themselves than be stuck in a nursing home. However, when those people actually reach that point in their life, they find they are not ready for death and their idealism sort of goes down the toilet. In Luke 14:26-33 Jesus said, "If anyone comes after Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him, saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.' Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming to him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions."

I'm hearing a lot of cavalier attitudes about death, but I'm wondering how many of you have actually sat down to calculate the cost to see if you'll actually be able to carry it out. Will you be ready to leave your families? Will you be ready to forsake your hopes and dreams? Wanting to die because of pain is not the same as being ready to die. The one who wants to die cares only for death, for they no longer count anything worth living for; but the one who is ready to die is also at the same time ready to keep living. "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake." Philippians 1:21-24

Mockingbird · Jun 19, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I'm not religious and I have more respect for death and the dying than half of the religious people I see floating around. Isn't death supposed to be a good thing to you people? Heaven and all that sh*t? I believe in no such place, and I have more sense about death than half of the people that do believe. </end quote></div>

Please keep in mind that just because someone says they are religious or goes to church every Sunday, that doesn't mean they actually are religious. If you want to know if a person is truly religious or not, look at the way they live their life, or their attitude about death, or whatever.

Anyway, the true Christian attitude about death is summed up in 2 Corinthians 5:1-10. Basically it says we look forward to death, but our ambition is to be pleasing to God. If God wants to grant me a quick realease, I will of course welcome it, but if God wants me to fight until the bitter end, I will fight, even if that means dying in a hospital surrounded by machinery and people I don't know.

I work in a nursing home and pretty much everyone I come across says they would rather kill themselves than be stuck in a nursing home. However, when those people actually reach that point in their life, they find they are not ready for death and their idealism sort of goes down the toilet. In Luke 14:26-33 Jesus said, "If anyone comes after Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him, saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.' Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming to him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions."

I'm hearing a lot of cavalier attitudes about death, but I'm wondering how many of you have actually sat down to calculate the cost to see if you'll actually be able to carry it out. Will you be ready to leave your families? Will you be ready to forsake your hopes and dreams? Wanting to die because of pain is not the same as being ready to die. The one who wants to die cares only for death, for they no longer count anything worth living for; but the one who is ready to die is also at the same time ready to keep living. "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake." Philippians 1:21-24

Mockingbird · Jun 19, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I'm not religious and I have more respect for death and the dying than half of the religious people I see floating around. Isn't death supposed to be a good thing to you people? Heaven and all that sh*t? I believe in no such place, and I have more sense about death than half of the people that do believe. </end quote>

Please keep in mind that just because someone says they are religious or goes to church every Sunday, that doesn't mean they actually are religious. If you want to know if a person is truly religious or not, look at the way they live their life, or their attitude about death, or whatever.

Anyway, the true Christian attitude about death is summed up in 2 Corinthians 5:1-10. Basically it says we look forward to death, but our ambition is to be pleasing to God. If God wants to grant me a quick realease, I will of course welcome it, but if God wants me to fight until the bitter end, I will fight, even if that means dying in a hospital surrounded by machinery and people I don't know.

I work in a nursing home and pretty much everyone I come across says they would rather kill themselves than be stuck in a nursing home. However, when those people actually reach that point in their life, they find they are not ready for death and their idealism sort of goes down the toilet. In Luke 14:26-33 Jesus said, "If anyone comes after Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him, saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.' Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming to him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions."

I'm hearing a lot of cavalier attitudes about death, but I'm wondering how many of you have actually sat down to calculate the cost to see if you'll actually be able to carry it out. Will you be ready to leave your families? Will you be ready to forsake your hopes and dreams? Wanting to die because of pain is not the same as being ready to die. The one who wants to die cares only for death, for they no longer count anything worth living for; but the one who is ready to die is also at the same time ready to keep living. "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake." Philippians 1:21-24

Mockingbird · Jun 19, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I'm not religious and I have more respect for death and the dying than half of the religious people I see floating around. Isn't death supposed to be a good thing to you people? Heaven and all that sh*t? I believe in no such place, and I have more sense about death than half of the people that do believe. </end quote>

Please keep in mind that just because someone says they are religious or goes to church every Sunday, that doesn't mean they actually are religious. If you want to know if a person is truly religious or not, look at the way they live their life, or their attitude about death, or whatever.

Anyway, the true Christian attitude about death is summed up in 2 Corinthians 5:1-10. Basically it says we look forward to death, but our ambition is to be pleasing to God. If God wants to grant me a quick realease, I will of course welcome it, but if God wants me to fight until the bitter end, I will fight, even if that means dying in a hospital surrounded by machinery and people I don't know.

I work in a nursing home and pretty much everyone I come across says they would rather kill themselves than be stuck in a nursing home. However, when those people actually reach that point in their life, they find they are not ready for death and their idealism sort of goes down the toilet. In Luke 14:26-33 Jesus said, "If anyone comes after Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him, saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.' Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming to him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions."

I'm hearing a lot of cavalier attitudes about death, but I'm wondering how many of you have actually sat down to calculate the cost to see if you'll actually be able to carry it out. Will you be ready to leave your families? Will you be ready to forsake your hopes and dreams? Wanting to die because of pain is not the same as being ready to die. The one who wants to die cares only for death, for they no longer count anything worth living for; but the one who is ready to die is also at the same time ready to keep living. "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake." Philippians 1:21-24

Emily65Roses · Jun 19, 2007

I didn't say I would or wouldn't be okay with death once it comes. I'm just okay with the idea of other people choosing for themselves. That's basically what this comes down to. I want people to be able to choose for themselves... and often, family won't let them.

As for me personally, I don't know yet what I will do. I plan to check into a tx, but I don't know whether or not I'll get one (that will depend on where I am, come time). I do know that whatever happens, my ambition is to die at HOME, not in some crappy unfamiliar hospital.

Emily65Roses · Jun 19, 2007

I didn't say I would or wouldn't be okay with death once it comes. I'm just okay with the idea of other people choosing for themselves. That's basically what this comes down to. I want people to be able to choose for themselves... and often, family won't let them.

As for me personally, I don't know yet what I will do. I plan to check into a tx, but I don't know whether or not I'll get one (that will depend on where I am, come time). I do know that whatever happens, my ambition is to die at HOME, not in some crappy unfamiliar hospital.

Emily65Roses · Jun 19, 2007

I didn't say I would or wouldn't be okay with death once it comes. I'm just okay with the idea of other people choosing for themselves. That's basically what this comes down to. I want people to be able to choose for themselves... and often, family won't let them.

As for me personally, I don't know yet what I will do. I plan to check into a tx, but I don't know whether or not I'll get one (that will depend on where I am, come time). I do know that whatever happens, my ambition is to die at HOME, not in some crappy unfamiliar hospital.

Emily65Roses · Jun 19, 2007

I didn't say I would or wouldn't be okay with death once it comes. I'm just okay with the idea of other people choosing for themselves. That's basically what this comes down to. I want people to be able to choose for themselves... and often, family won't let them.

As for me personally, I don't know yet what I will do. I plan to check into a tx, but I don't know whether or not I'll get one (that will depend on where I am, come time). I do know that whatever happens, my ambition is to die at HOME, not in some crappy unfamiliar hospital.

Emily65Roses · Jun 19, 2007

I didn't say I would or wouldn't be okay with death once it comes. I'm just okay with the idea of other people choosing for themselves. That's basically what this comes down to. I want people to be able to choose for themselves... and often, family won't let them.

As for me personally, I don't know yet what I will do. I plan to check into a tx, but I don't know whether or not I'll get one (that will depend on where I am, come time). I do know that whatever happens, my ambition is to die at HOME, not in some crappy unfamiliar hospital.

Emily65Roses · Jun 19, 2007

I didn't say I would or wouldn't be okay with death once it comes. I'm just okay with the idea of other people choosing for themselves. That's basically what this comes down to. I want people to be able to choose for themselves... and often, family won't let them.

As for me personally, I don't know yet what I will do. I plan to check into a tx, but I don't know whether or not I'll get one (that will depend on where I am, come time). I do know that whatever happens, my ambition is to die at HOME, not in some crappy unfamiliar hospital.

Mockingbird · Jun 19, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Emily65Roses</b></i>

I didn't say I would or wouldn't be okay with death once it comes.

my ambition is to die at HOME, not in some crappy unfamiliar hospital.</end quote></div>

Those two statements seem like a contradiction to me, but whatever.

Mockingbird · Jun 19, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Emily65Roses</b></i>

I didn't say I would or wouldn't be okay with death once it comes.

my ambition is to die at HOME, not in some crappy unfamiliar hospital.</end quote></div>

Those two statements seem like a contradiction to me, but whatever.

Mockingbird · Jun 19, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Emily65Roses</b></i>

I didn't say I would or wouldn't be okay with death once it comes.

my ambition is to die at HOME, not in some crappy unfamiliar hospital.</end quote></div>

Those two statements seem like a contradiction to me, but whatever.

Mockingbird · Jun 19, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Emily65Roses</b></i>

I didn't say I would or wouldn't be okay with death once it comes.

my ambition is to die at HOME, not in some crappy unfamiliar hospital.</end quote></div>

Those two statements seem like a contradiction to me, but whatever.

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