southbound
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"causing trouble" ? give me a break.
let people speak.
let people speak.
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Smoking Marijuana as a CF Patient
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southbound
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"causing trouble" ? give me a break.
let people speak.
let people speak.
Personally I am against using mind altering drugs on an ethical level. Whether they're safe or not is irrevelant in that regard. However I realize the vast majority of people don't see this the same, whether it be substances such as alcohol or weed.
What's interesting is that people seem to think because marijuana smoke causes less cases of cancer than tobacco, that somehow it is safe. Smoke - any kind, can cause adverse effects in people. There aren't many - if any, legitimate, long term studies on the effects of Marijuana. But on a level of common sense, breathing in smoke, whether it's from tobacco, marijuana, or a log you're burning in your house isn't healthy, especially over decades. I would say that some do exaggerate the danger of Marijuana, it's not going to destroy your lungs in the same was as tobacco. But why even open the possibility for any damage? To deny it has any adverse effects is dangerous, but let's not exaggerate it.
What's interesting is that people seem to think because marijuana smoke causes less cases of cancer than tobacco, that somehow it is safe. Smoke - any kind, can cause adverse effects in people. There aren't many - if any, legitimate, long term studies on the effects of Marijuana. But on a level of common sense, breathing in smoke, whether it's from tobacco, marijuana, or a log you're burning in your house isn't healthy, especially over decades. I would say that some do exaggerate the danger of Marijuana, it's not going to destroy your lungs in the same was as tobacco. But why even open the possibility for any damage? To deny it has any adverse effects is dangerous, but let's not exaggerate it.
Personally I am against using mind altering drugs on an ethical level. Whether they're safe or not is irrevelant in that regard. However I realize the vast majority of people don't see this the same, whether it be substances such as alcohol or weed.
What's interesting is that people seem to think because marijuana smoke causes less cases of cancer than tobacco, that somehow it is safe. Smoke - any kind, can cause adverse effects in people. There aren't many - if any, legitimate, long term studies on the effects of Marijuana. But on a level of common sense, breathing in smoke, whether it's from tobacco, marijuana, or a log you're burning in your house isn't healthy, especially over decades. I would say that some do exaggerate the danger of Marijuana, it's not going to destroy your lungs in the same was as tobacco. But why even open the possibility for any damage? To deny it has any adverse effects is dangerous, but let's not exaggerate it.
What's interesting is that people seem to think because marijuana smoke causes less cases of cancer than tobacco, that somehow it is safe. Smoke - any kind, can cause adverse effects in people. There aren't many - if any, legitimate, long term studies on the effects of Marijuana. But on a level of common sense, breathing in smoke, whether it's from tobacco, marijuana, or a log you're burning in your house isn't healthy, especially over decades. I would say that some do exaggerate the danger of Marijuana, it's not going to destroy your lungs in the same was as tobacco. But why even open the possibility for any damage? To deny it has any adverse effects is dangerous, but let's not exaggerate it.
Personally I am against using mind altering drugs on an ethical level. Whether they're safe or not is irrevelant in that regard. However I realize the vast majority of people don't see this the same, whether it be substances such as alcohol or weed.
What's interesting is that people seem to think because marijuana smoke causes less cases of cancer than tobacco, that somehow it is safe. Smoke - any kind, can cause adverse effects in people. There aren't many - if any, legitimate, long term studies on the effects of Marijuana. But on a level of common sense, breathing in smoke, whether it's from tobacco, marijuana, or a log you're burning in your house isn't healthy, especially over decades. I would say that some do exaggerate the danger of Marijuana, it's not going to destroy your lungs in the same was as tobacco. But why even open the possibility for any damage? To deny it has any adverse effects is dangerous, but let's not exaggerate it.
What's interesting is that people seem to think because marijuana smoke causes less cases of cancer than tobacco, that somehow it is safe. Smoke - any kind, can cause adverse effects in people. There aren't many - if any, legitimate, long term studies on the effects of Marijuana. But on a level of common sense, breathing in smoke, whether it's from tobacco, marijuana, or a log you're burning in your house isn't healthy, especially over decades. I would say that some do exaggerate the danger of Marijuana, it's not going to destroy your lungs in the same was as tobacco. But why even open the possibility for any damage? To deny it has any adverse effects is dangerous, but let's not exaggerate it.
Oooh, and here I come bearing the scientific fruit...
Can anyone else say "Aspergillosis"? Do a PubMed search for marijuana and aspergillus.
Smoking is bad. I can say that because I have *ding ding ding* scientific proof.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.
Can anyone else say "Aspergillosis"? Do a PubMed search for marijuana and aspergillus.
Smoking is bad. I can say that because I have *ding ding ding* scientific proof.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.
Oooh, and here I come bearing the scientific fruit...
Can anyone else say "Aspergillosis"? Do a PubMed search for marijuana and aspergillus.
Smoking is bad. I can say that because I have *ding ding ding* scientific proof.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.
Can anyone else say "Aspergillosis"? Do a PubMed search for marijuana and aspergillus.
Smoking is bad. I can say that because I have *ding ding ding* scientific proof.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.
Oooh, and here I come bearing the scientific fruit...
Can anyone else say "Aspergillosis"? Do a PubMed search for marijuana and aspergillus.
Smoking is bad. I can say that because I have *ding ding ding* scientific proof.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.
Can anyone else say "Aspergillosis"? Do a PubMed search for marijuana and aspergillus.
Smoking is bad. I can say that because I have *ding ding ding* scientific proof.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.
Emeraldmirror
New member
Moderation is always the key..and again it depends on how your own individual body reacts to things. if your body reacts badly to smoking it even through a vaporizer such as mine.. don't do it.. know your options... there are many ways you can do it if you want to and the key is to make sure you watch closely how your body reacts to it. of course everybody has their own free will and can do as they like. so as long as you keep it in moderation and you know your limit and keep a watch then what's to stop you really... we are all human and just because we have cf doesn't mean we can't live. people are always going to experiment with things... and to be honest i would rather live a short and fulfilling life than a long and boring one... (not to say being sober is boring.... and not to say drugs are good.. and not to say drugs are bad)... there are gray areas to these types of issues it's not always black and white
Ashley 22 w/cf
Ashley 22 w/cf
Emeraldmirror
New member
Moderation is always the key..and again it depends on how your own individual body reacts to things. if your body reacts badly to smoking it even through a vaporizer such as mine.. don't do it.. know your options... there are many ways you can do it if you want to and the key is to make sure you watch closely how your body reacts to it. of course everybody has their own free will and can do as they like. so as long as you keep it in moderation and you know your limit and keep a watch then what's to stop you really... we are all human and just because we have cf doesn't mean we can't live. people are always going to experiment with things... and to be honest i would rather live a short and fulfilling life than a long and boring one... (not to say being sober is boring.... and not to say drugs are good.. and not to say drugs are bad)... there are gray areas to these types of issues it's not always black and white
Ashley 22 w/cf
Ashley 22 w/cf
Emeraldmirror
New member
Moderation is always the key..and again it depends on how your own individual body reacts to things. if your body reacts badly to smoking it even through a vaporizer such as mine.. don't do it.. know your options... there are many ways you can do it if you want to and the key is to make sure you watch closely how your body reacts to it. of course everybody has their own free will and can do as they like. so as long as you keep it in moderation and you know your limit and keep a watch then what's to stop you really... we are all human and just because we have cf doesn't mean we can't live. people are always going to experiment with things... and to be honest i would rather live a short and fulfilling life than a long and boring one... (not to say being sober is boring.... and not to say drugs are good.. and not to say drugs are bad)... there are gray areas to these types of issues it's not always black and white
Ashley 22 w/cf
Ashley 22 w/cf
Emily65Roses
New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>southbound</b></i>
"causing trouble" ? give me a break.
let people speak.</end quote></div>
Let me rephrase, then. Spouting government "facts" that are quite exaggerated and blown out of proportion because weed is illegal and they will tell you frickin anything to keep you off of it. Even if it means exaggerating and lying, etc.
And I didn't say "They're causing trouble and should be permanently removed. Do not let them speak!" I simply said they were being pains.
"causing trouble" ? give me a break.
let people speak.</end quote></div>
Let me rephrase, then. Spouting government "facts" that are quite exaggerated and blown out of proportion because weed is illegal and they will tell you frickin anything to keep you off of it. Even if it means exaggerating and lying, etc.
And I didn't say "They're causing trouble and should be permanently removed. Do not let them speak!" I simply said they were being pains.
Emily65Roses
New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>southbound</b></i>
"causing trouble" ? give me a break.
let people speak.</end quote></div>
Let me rephrase, then. Spouting government "facts" that are quite exaggerated and blown out of proportion because weed is illegal and they will tell you frickin anything to keep you off of it. Even if it means exaggerating and lying, etc.
And I didn't say "They're causing trouble and should be permanently removed. Do not let them speak!" I simply said they were being pains.
"causing trouble" ? give me a break.
let people speak.</end quote></div>
Let me rephrase, then. Spouting government "facts" that are quite exaggerated and blown out of proportion because weed is illegal and they will tell you frickin anything to keep you off of it. Even if it means exaggerating and lying, etc.
And I didn't say "They're causing trouble and should be permanently removed. Do not let them speak!" I simply said they were being pains.
Emily65Roses
New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>southbound</b></i>
"causing trouble" ? give me a break.
let people speak.</end quote></div>
Let me rephrase, then. Spouting government "facts" that are quite exaggerated and blown out of proportion because weed is illegal and they will tell you frickin anything to keep you off of it. Even if it means exaggerating and lying, etc.
And I didn't say "They're causing trouble and should be permanently removed. Do not let them speak!" I simply said they were being pains.
"causing trouble" ? give me a break.
let people speak.</end quote></div>
Let me rephrase, then. Spouting government "facts" that are quite exaggerated and blown out of proportion because weed is illegal and they will tell you frickin anything to keep you off of it. Even if it means exaggerating and lying, etc.
And I didn't say "They're causing trouble and should be permanently removed. Do not let them speak!" I simply said they were being pains.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Emily65Roses</b></i>
Jbrandon, Kylie just means the "newbies" that are posting stuff like the examples she mentioned. She doesn't mean newbies as a whole. We know not all newbies are pains, but it seems that in this particular thread, the main ones that are causing trouble are newbies.
Kylie, m'dear, if I am speaking out of turn, feel free to slap me across my face. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"></end quote></div>
thankyou emily! lol!
Jbrandon, Kylie just means the "newbies" that are posting stuff like the examples she mentioned. She doesn't mean newbies as a whole. We know not all newbies are pains, but it seems that in this particular thread, the main ones that are causing trouble are newbies.
Kylie, m'dear, if I am speaking out of turn, feel free to slap me across my face. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"></end quote></div>
thankyou emily! lol!
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Emily65Roses</b></i>
Jbrandon, Kylie just means the "newbies" that are posting stuff like the examples she mentioned. She doesn't mean newbies as a whole. We know not all newbies are pains, but it seems that in this particular thread, the main ones that are causing trouble are newbies.
Kylie, m'dear, if I am speaking out of turn, feel free to slap me across my face. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"></end quote></div>
thankyou emily! lol!
Jbrandon, Kylie just means the "newbies" that are posting stuff like the examples she mentioned. She doesn't mean newbies as a whole. We know not all newbies are pains, but it seems that in this particular thread, the main ones that are causing trouble are newbies.
Kylie, m'dear, if I am speaking out of turn, feel free to slap me across my face. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"></end quote></div>
thankyou emily! lol!
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Emily65Roses</b></i>
Jbrandon, Kylie just means the "newbies" that are posting stuff like the examples she mentioned. She doesn't mean newbies as a whole. We know not all newbies are pains, but it seems that in this particular thread, the main ones that are causing trouble are newbies.
Kylie, m'dear, if I am speaking out of turn, feel free to slap me across my face. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"></end quote></div>
thankyou emily! lol!
Jbrandon, Kylie just means the "newbies" that are posting stuff like the examples she mentioned. She doesn't mean newbies as a whole. We know not all newbies are pains, but it seems that in this particular thread, the main ones that are causing trouble are newbies.
Kylie, m'dear, if I am speaking out of turn, feel free to slap me across my face. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"></end quote></div>
thankyou emily! lol!
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>miesl</b></i>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.</end quote></div>
OK, look i tried not to bite, i really did, i even sat on my hands......but something like a magnetic force just dragged my hands back to the keyboard, what can I say, i have degree in playing devil's advocate. And small minded, opinion based arguments about MJ are my topic du jour.
Now then, smoking mj causeed cough and phlem....oh *****, not 'cough and phlem'...please no!! How could a CF'er EVER be expected to tolerate a cough AND phlem....come on, like we don't already have that???!!! Irrelevant to me and probably many other CFers.
Next scientifically proved fact - smoking through a bong and/or hoookah pipe = bad. Sweet, i smoke it rolled or through a dry pipe as do most people. So again, irrelevant.
Fact number three - the TOBACCO culture tested positive for greeblies (technically known as aspergillus).....NOT specifically the MJ, it could have been from the MJ part of the mix, it could have been the tobacco. Meh, moot point as we really don't know. However I've smoked off and on for 20+ years, old weed, fresh weed, mouldy weed, week soaked in bourbon.....not once have i cultured one spec of aspergillus. Also, non MJ smokers with CF often culture Aspergillus. So hate to say it.....irrelevant.
AND finally fact number 4 - people with AML who smoke MJ are predisposed to apergillosis. That sucks for them, but I'm a lucky lucky girl and I have CYSTIC FIBROSIS not AML.
We could compare these results IF we with CF had suppressed or compromised immune systems, but we don't, we have OVERACTIVE immune responses.....so here we go again.....completely irrelevant.
Now, yes I can say aspergillosis, I think I can even spell it.
But quite a few people responding in this topic seem to have a condition known as CMEL - or Chronic Miscomprehension of the English Language. Can anybody understand that i wonder????
My point is, and always has been THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC DATA ABOUT CYSTIC FIBROSIS SUFFERERS AND THE EFFECT OF REGULAR MARIJUANA SMOKING ON THEIR LUNGS. The 'scientific data' you quoted even says 'they were unable to deterrmine if it had a negative effect on lung function'. And at the end of the day, that's really all that matters. Most of us will always cough up phlem....but that aint what kills us. What kills us is declining lung function, so when somebody can find some scientific proof that regular marijuana smoking reduces lung function at an excellerated rate in people with CF.......I'll shut up.
Until then, I will keep arguing with everybody who either misses the point constantly or continues to spout unmitigated opinions and deem them fact.
I gave up to a) improve my energy levels b) improve my appetite c) it's damned expensive and d) i SUSPECT it does damage to my lungs which I will never be able to get back.
But a suspicion is all I have and it's also all any of you have. Call it an 'educated guess' if it makes you sleep better at night.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.</end quote></div>
OK, look i tried not to bite, i really did, i even sat on my hands......but something like a magnetic force just dragged my hands back to the keyboard, what can I say, i have degree in playing devil's advocate. And small minded, opinion based arguments about MJ are my topic du jour.
Now then, smoking mj causeed cough and phlem....oh *****, not 'cough and phlem'...please no!! How could a CF'er EVER be expected to tolerate a cough AND phlem....come on, like we don't already have that???!!! Irrelevant to me and probably many other CFers.
Next scientifically proved fact - smoking through a bong and/or hoookah pipe = bad. Sweet, i smoke it rolled or through a dry pipe as do most people. So again, irrelevant.
Fact number three - the TOBACCO culture tested positive for greeblies (technically known as aspergillus).....NOT specifically the MJ, it could have been from the MJ part of the mix, it could have been the tobacco. Meh, moot point as we really don't know. However I've smoked off and on for 20+ years, old weed, fresh weed, mouldy weed, week soaked in bourbon.....not once have i cultured one spec of aspergillus. Also, non MJ smokers with CF often culture Aspergillus. So hate to say it.....irrelevant.
AND finally fact number 4 - people with AML who smoke MJ are predisposed to apergillosis. That sucks for them, but I'm a lucky lucky girl and I have CYSTIC FIBROSIS not AML.
We could compare these results IF we with CF had suppressed or compromised immune systems, but we don't, we have OVERACTIVE immune responses.....so here we go again.....completely irrelevant.
Now, yes I can say aspergillosis, I think I can even spell it.
But quite a few people responding in this topic seem to have a condition known as CMEL - or Chronic Miscomprehension of the English Language. Can anybody understand that i wonder????
My point is, and always has been THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC DATA ABOUT CYSTIC FIBROSIS SUFFERERS AND THE EFFECT OF REGULAR MARIJUANA SMOKING ON THEIR LUNGS. The 'scientific data' you quoted even says 'they were unable to deterrmine if it had a negative effect on lung function'. And at the end of the day, that's really all that matters. Most of us will always cough up phlem....but that aint what kills us. What kills us is declining lung function, so when somebody can find some scientific proof that regular marijuana smoking reduces lung function at an excellerated rate in people with CF.......I'll shut up.
Until then, I will keep arguing with everybody who either misses the point constantly or continues to spout unmitigated opinions and deem them fact.
I gave up to a) improve my energy levels b) improve my appetite c) it's damned expensive and d) i SUSPECT it does damage to my lungs which I will never be able to get back.
But a suspicion is all I have and it's also all any of you have. Call it an 'educated guess' if it makes you sleep better at night.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>miesl</b></i>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.</end quote></div>
OK, look i tried not to bite, i really did, i even sat on my hands......but something like a magnetic force just dragged my hands back to the keyboard, what can I say, i have degree in playing devil's advocate. And small minded, opinion based arguments about MJ are my topic du jour.
Now then, smoking mj causeed cough and phlem....oh *****, not 'cough and phlem'...please no!! How could a CF'er EVER be expected to tolerate a cough AND phlem....come on, like we don't already have that???!!! Irrelevant to me and probably many other CFers.
Next scientifically proved fact - smoking through a bong and/or hoookah pipe = bad. Sweet, i smoke it rolled or through a dry pipe as do most people. So again, irrelevant.
Fact number three - the TOBACCO culture tested positive for greeblies (technically known as aspergillus).....NOT specifically the MJ, it could have been from the MJ part of the mix, it could have been the tobacco. Meh, moot point as we really don't know. However I've smoked off and on for 20+ years, old weed, fresh weed, mouldy weed, week soaked in bourbon.....not once have i cultured one spec of aspergillus. Also, non MJ smokers with CF often culture Aspergillus. So hate to say it.....irrelevant.
AND finally fact number 4 - people with AML who smoke MJ are predisposed to apergillosis. That sucks for them, but I'm a lucky lucky girl and I have CYSTIC FIBROSIS not AML.
We could compare these results IF we with CF had suppressed or compromised immune systems, but we don't, we have OVERACTIVE immune responses.....so here we go again.....completely irrelevant.
Now, yes I can say aspergillosis, I think I can even spell it.
But quite a few people responding in this topic seem to have a condition known as CMEL - or Chronic Miscomprehension of the English Language. Can anybody understand that i wonder????
My point is, and always has been THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC DATA ABOUT CYSTIC FIBROSIS SUFFERERS AND THE EFFECT OF REGULAR MARIJUANA SMOKING ON THEIR LUNGS. The 'scientific data' you quoted even says 'they were unable to deterrmine if it had a negative effect on lung function'. And at the end of the day, that's really all that matters. Most of us will always cough up phlem....but that aint what kills us. What kills us is declining lung function, so when somebody can find some scientific proof that regular marijuana smoking reduces lung function at an excellerated rate in people with CF.......I'll shut up.
Until then, I will keep arguing with everybody who either misses the point constantly or continues to spout unmitigated opinions and deem them fact.
I gave up to a) improve my energy levels b) improve my appetite c) it's damned expensive and d) i SUSPECT it does damage to my lungs which I will never be able to get back.
But a suspicion is all I have and it's also all any of you have. Call it an 'educated guess' if it makes you sleep better at night.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.</end quote></div>
OK, look i tried not to bite, i really did, i even sat on my hands......but something like a magnetic force just dragged my hands back to the keyboard, what can I say, i have degree in playing devil's advocate. And small minded, opinion based arguments about MJ are my topic du jour.
Now then, smoking mj causeed cough and phlem....oh *****, not 'cough and phlem'...please no!! How could a CF'er EVER be expected to tolerate a cough AND phlem....come on, like we don't already have that???!!! Irrelevant to me and probably many other CFers.
Next scientifically proved fact - smoking through a bong and/or hoookah pipe = bad. Sweet, i smoke it rolled or through a dry pipe as do most people. So again, irrelevant.
Fact number three - the TOBACCO culture tested positive for greeblies (technically known as aspergillus).....NOT specifically the MJ, it could have been from the MJ part of the mix, it could have been the tobacco. Meh, moot point as we really don't know. However I've smoked off and on for 20+ years, old weed, fresh weed, mouldy weed, week soaked in bourbon.....not once have i cultured one spec of aspergillus. Also, non MJ smokers with CF often culture Aspergillus. So hate to say it.....irrelevant.
AND finally fact number 4 - people with AML who smoke MJ are predisposed to apergillosis. That sucks for them, but I'm a lucky lucky girl and I have CYSTIC FIBROSIS not AML.
We could compare these results IF we with CF had suppressed or compromised immune systems, but we don't, we have OVERACTIVE immune responses.....so here we go again.....completely irrelevant.
Now, yes I can say aspergillosis, I think I can even spell it.
But quite a few people responding in this topic seem to have a condition known as CMEL - or Chronic Miscomprehension of the English Language. Can anybody understand that i wonder????
My point is, and always has been THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC DATA ABOUT CYSTIC FIBROSIS SUFFERERS AND THE EFFECT OF REGULAR MARIJUANA SMOKING ON THEIR LUNGS. The 'scientific data' you quoted even says 'they were unable to deterrmine if it had a negative effect on lung function'. And at the end of the day, that's really all that matters. Most of us will always cough up phlem....but that aint what kills us. What kills us is declining lung function, so when somebody can find some scientific proof that regular marijuana smoking reduces lung function at an excellerated rate in people with CF.......I'll shut up.
Until then, I will keep arguing with everybody who either misses the point constantly or continues to spout unmitigated opinions and deem them fact.
I gave up to a) improve my energy levels b) improve my appetite c) it's damned expensive and d) i SUSPECT it does damage to my lungs which I will never be able to get back.
But a suspicion is all I have and it's also all any of you have. Call it an 'educated guess' if it makes you sleep better at night.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>miesl</b></i>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.</end quote></div>
OK, look i tried not to bite, i really did, i even sat on my hands......but something like a magnetic force just dragged my hands back to the keyboard, what can I say, i have degree in playing devil's advocate. And small minded, opinion based arguments about MJ are my topic du jour.
Now then, smoking mj causeed cough and phlem....oh *****, not 'cough and phlem'...please no!! How could a CF'er EVER be expected to tolerate a cough AND phlem....come on, like we don't already have that???!!! Irrelevant to me and probably many other CFers.
Next scientifically proved fact - smoking through a bong and/or hoookah pipe = bad. Sweet, i smoke it rolled or through a dry pipe as do most people. So again, irrelevant.
Fact number three - the TOBACCO culture tested positive for greeblies (technically known as aspergillus).....NOT specifically the MJ, it could have been from the MJ part of the mix, it could have been the tobacco. Meh, moot point as we really don't know. However I've smoked off and on for 20+ years, old weed, fresh weed, mouldy weed, week soaked in bourbon.....not once have i cultured one spec of aspergillus. Also, non MJ smokers with CF often culture Aspergillus. So hate to say it.....irrelevant.
AND finally fact number 4 - people with AML who smoke MJ are predisposed to apergillosis. That sucks for them, but I'm a lucky lucky girl and I have CYSTIC FIBROSIS not AML.
We could compare these results IF we with CF had suppressed or compromised immune systems, but we don't, we have OVERACTIVE immune responses.....so here we go again.....completely irrelevant.
Now, yes I can say aspergillosis, I think I can even spell it.
But quite a few people responding in this topic seem to have a condition known as CMEL - or Chronic Miscomprehension of the English Language. Can anybody understand that i wonder????
My point is, and always has been THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC DATA ABOUT CYSTIC FIBROSIS SUFFERERS AND THE EFFECT OF REGULAR MARIJUANA SMOKING ON THEIR LUNGS. The 'scientific data' you quoted even says 'they were unable to deterrmine if it had a negative effect on lung function'. And at the end of the day, that's really all that matters. Most of us will always cough up phlem....but that aint what kills us. What kills us is declining lung function, so when somebody can find some scientific proof that regular marijuana smoking reduces lung function at an excellerated rate in people with CF.......I'll shut up.
Until then, I will keep arguing with everybody who either misses the point constantly or continues to spout unmitigated opinions and deem them fact.
I gave up to a) improve my energy levels b) improve my appetite c) it's damned expensive and d) i SUSPECT it does damage to my lungs which I will never be able to get back.
But a suspicion is all I have and it's also all any of you have. Call it an 'educated guess' if it makes you sleep better at night.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16729923&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking</a>
Pfeifer AK, Lange P.
H:S Hvidovre Hospital, Hjerte-Lungemedicinsk Afdeling, Hvidovre.
Based on previously published studies, this review describes the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking. Smoking of marijuana is significantly associated with chronic bronchitis (cough and phlegm), but it has not been firmly established whether it also leads to a reduction in lung function. Both epidemiological studies and case reports suggest that regular smokers of marijuana have a higher risk of developing malignancies in both the upper and lower airways. Smoking of marijuana contaminated with fungus spores has been reported to lead to pulmonary aspergillus infections in immunocompromised patients, and sharing of marijuana water pipes has been associated with transmission of tuberculosis.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11911432&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_docsum">Early invasive pulmonary aspergillosis in a leukemia patient linked to aspergillus contaminated marijuana smoking</a>
Szyper-Kravitz M, Lang R, Manor Y, Lahav M.
Department of Medicine E, Sapir Medical Center-Meir Hospital, Kfar Saba, Tel-Aviv, Israel.
46-year-old patient with acute myeloid leukemia (AML) whose disease manifested as fever, chills and dry cough is reported here. Despite broad antibiotic coverage he remained acutely ill with spiking fever, shaking chills, and hypoxemia. His initial chest radiograph was normal but chest computed tomography (CT) scan disclosed bilateral focal infiltrates. Hypoxemia and severe thrombocytopenia precluded invasive diagnostic procedures. A thorough epidemiological investigation revealed that before becoming acutely ill the patient smoked daily tobacco mixed with marijuana from a "hookah bottle". While waiting for tobacco and "hookah water" cultures, we started antifungal therapy. Resolution of fever and hypoxemia ensued after 72 hours. Tobacco cultures yielded heavy growth of Aspergillus species. We suggest that habitual smoking of Aspergillus-infested tobacco and marijuana caused airway colonization with Aspergillus. Leukemia rendered the patient immunocompromised, and allowed Aspergillus to infest the lung parenchyma with early occurrence of invasive pulmonary aspergillosis. Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of "hookah" and marijuana smoking in immunocompromised hosts.</end quote></div>
OK, look i tried not to bite, i really did, i even sat on my hands......but something like a magnetic force just dragged my hands back to the keyboard, what can I say, i have degree in playing devil's advocate. And small minded, opinion based arguments about MJ are my topic du jour.
Now then, smoking mj causeed cough and phlem....oh *****, not 'cough and phlem'...please no!! How could a CF'er EVER be expected to tolerate a cough AND phlem....come on, like we don't already have that???!!! Irrelevant to me and probably many other CFers.
Next scientifically proved fact - smoking through a bong and/or hoookah pipe = bad. Sweet, i smoke it rolled or through a dry pipe as do most people. So again, irrelevant.
Fact number three - the TOBACCO culture tested positive for greeblies (technically known as aspergillus).....NOT specifically the MJ, it could have been from the MJ part of the mix, it could have been the tobacco. Meh, moot point as we really don't know. However I've smoked off and on for 20+ years, old weed, fresh weed, mouldy weed, week soaked in bourbon.....not once have i cultured one spec of aspergillus. Also, non MJ smokers with CF often culture Aspergillus. So hate to say it.....irrelevant.
AND finally fact number 4 - people with AML who smoke MJ are predisposed to apergillosis. That sucks for them, but I'm a lucky lucky girl and I have CYSTIC FIBROSIS not AML.
We could compare these results IF we with CF had suppressed or compromised immune systems, but we don't, we have OVERACTIVE immune responses.....so here we go again.....completely irrelevant.
Now, yes I can say aspergillosis, I think I can even spell it.
But quite a few people responding in this topic seem to have a condition known as CMEL - or Chronic Miscomprehension of the English Language. Can anybody understand that i wonder????
My point is, and always has been THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC DATA ABOUT CYSTIC FIBROSIS SUFFERERS AND THE EFFECT OF REGULAR MARIJUANA SMOKING ON THEIR LUNGS. The 'scientific data' you quoted even says 'they were unable to deterrmine if it had a negative effect on lung function'. And at the end of the day, that's really all that matters. Most of us will always cough up phlem....but that aint what kills us. What kills us is declining lung function, so when somebody can find some scientific proof that regular marijuana smoking reduces lung function at an excellerated rate in people with CF.......I'll shut up.
Until then, I will keep arguing with everybody who either misses the point constantly or continues to spout unmitigated opinions and deem them fact.
I gave up to a) improve my energy levels b) improve my appetite c) it's damned expensive and d) i SUSPECT it does damage to my lungs which I will never be able to get back.
But a suspicion is all I have and it's also all any of you have. Call it an 'educated guess' if it makes you sleep better at night.