The Presidential Debates

Solo

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I think you get what I'm trying to say here, it's just that we seem to see the same thing through different color shades, same destination; different paths traveled. You mentioned the inventor of the combustion engine dropped out of high school, and? Does that mean he's stupid? Einstein was not exactly a good student in high school, and the way this current system is set up, there's a good chance that there's the next Einstein working at your grocery store, bagging your groceries, it's just that most likely they were born into middle class or poverty, and the decks already stacked against the less privileged.

Now we pick our President through the electoral college, which kind of is a result of the majority of votes from the average citizen. People's votes' ONLY have a helpful effect at solving dilemmas when there is an equality of awareness and intellect at the voting booth. If about 70% of Americans are below average intelligence, and 30% are above average intellect, and out of that 70, 40% of them vote- that still is enough to tip the scale of any election to their favor. So the 40%, signify the countries dumb, decide the futures of the mentally equipped 30%. That's part of the example I gave, if when cars were invented, we dished out opinion polls to gauge whether we would even bother using them, the majority would surely vote "no", so in turn we would still to this day be riding around in horse drawn carriages. My point is the majority isn't always right, if I'm not mistaken wasn't Hitler elected the Chancellor of Germany from the votes of the majority, how'd that turn out?

Your last paragraph sums my point up nicely. Henry Ford NEEDED people to labor for him, or else we wouldn't even know his name. Of course being intelligent doesn't entail incorruptible, as no one's perfect and we all have faults, but does that mean that we should just continue letting dumb people decide our futures, just because intelligent people aren't perfect? Our country is paralyzed by profit-driven individuals, and what really ticks me off is that we hold the idea of a mentally decrepit person with alot of money on a high pillar, but at the same time, trash the idea of an intellectually mature person who has thought through the issues, and come to a logical position, only because he lacks wealth.
 

Solo

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I think you get what I'm trying to say here, it's just that we seem to see the same thing through different color shades, same destination; different paths traveled. You mentioned the inventor of the combustion engine dropped out of high school, and? Does that mean he's stupid? Einstein was not exactly a good student in high school, and the way this current system is set up, there's a good chance that there's the next Einstein working at your grocery store, bagging your groceries, it's just that most likely they were born into middle class or poverty, and the decks already stacked against the less privileged.

Now we pick our President through the electoral college, which kind of is a result of the majority of votes from the average citizen. People's votes' ONLY have a helpful effect at solving dilemmas when there is an equality of awareness and intellect at the voting booth. If about 70% of Americans are below average intelligence, and 30% are above average intellect, and out of that 70, 40% of them vote- that still is enough to tip the scale of any election to their favor. So the 40%, signify the countries dumb, decide the futures of the mentally equipped 30%. That's part of the example I gave, if when cars were invented, we dished out opinion polls to gauge whether we would even bother using them, the majority would surely vote "no", so in turn we would still to this day be riding around in horse drawn carriages. My point is the majority isn't always right, if I'm not mistaken wasn't Hitler elected the Chancellor of Germany from the votes of the majority, how'd that turn out?

Your last paragraph sums my point up nicely. Henry Ford NEEDED people to labor for him, or else we wouldn't even know his name. Of course being intelligent doesn't entail incorruptible, as no one's perfect and we all have faults, but does that mean that we should just continue letting dumb people decide our futures, just because intelligent people aren't perfect? Our country is paralyzed by profit-driven individuals, and what really ticks me off is that we hold the idea of a mentally decrepit person with alot of money on a high pillar, but at the same time, trash the idea of an intellectually mature person who has thought through the issues, and come to a logical position, only because he lacks wealth.
 

Solo

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I think you get what I'm trying to say here, it's just that we seem to see the same thing through different color shades, same destination; different paths traveled. You mentioned the inventor of the combustion engine dropped out of high school, and? Does that mean he's stupid? Einstein was not exactly a good student in high school, and the way this current system is set up, there's a good chance that there's the next Einstein working at your grocery store, bagging your groceries, it's just that most likely they were born into middle class or poverty, and the decks already stacked against the less privileged.

Now we pick our President through the electoral college, which kind of is a result of the majority of votes from the average citizen. People's votes' ONLY have a helpful effect at solving dilemmas when there is an equality of awareness and intellect at the voting booth. If about 70% of Americans are below average intelligence, and 30% are above average intellect, and out of that 70, 40% of them vote- that still is enough to tip the scale of any election to their favor. So the 40%, signify the countries dumb, decide the futures of the mentally equipped 30%. That's part of the example I gave, if when cars were invented, we dished out opinion polls to gauge whether we would even bother using them, the majority would surely vote "no", so in turn we would still to this day be riding around in horse drawn carriages. My point is the majority isn't always right, if I'm not mistaken wasn't Hitler elected the Chancellor of Germany from the votes of the majority, how'd that turn out?

Your last paragraph sums my point up nicely. Henry Ford NEEDED people to labor for him, or else we wouldn't even know his name. Of course being intelligent doesn't entail incorruptible, as no one's perfect and we all have faults, but does that mean that we should just continue letting dumb people decide our futures, just because intelligent people aren't perfect? Our country is paralyzed by profit-driven individuals, and what really ticks me off is that we hold the idea of a mentally decrepit person with alot of money on a high pillar, but at the same time, trash the idea of an intellectually mature person who has thought through the issues, and come to a logical position, only because he lacks wealth.
 

Solo

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I think you get what I'm trying to say here, it's just that we seem to see the same thing through different color shades, same destination; different paths traveled. You mentioned the inventor of the combustion engine dropped out of high school, and? Does that mean he's stupid? Einstein was not exactly a good student in high school, and the way this current system is set up, there's a good chance that there's the next Einstein working at your grocery store, bagging your groceries, it's just that most likely they were born into middle class or poverty, and the decks already stacked against the less privileged.

Now we pick our President through the electoral college, which kind of is a result of the majority of votes from the average citizen. People's votes' ONLY have a helpful effect at solving dilemmas when there is an equality of awareness and intellect at the voting booth. If about 70% of Americans are below average intelligence, and 30% are above average intellect, and out of that 70, 40% of them vote- that still is enough to tip the scale of any election to their favor. So the 40%, signify the countries dumb, decide the futures of the mentally equipped 30%. That's part of the example I gave, if when cars were invented, we dished out opinion polls to gauge whether we would even bother using them, the majority would surely vote "no", so in turn we would still to this day be riding around in horse drawn carriages. My point is the majority isn't always right, if I'm not mistaken wasn't Hitler elected the Chancellor of Germany from the votes of the majority, how'd that turn out?

Your last paragraph sums my point up nicely. Henry Ford NEEDED people to labor for him, or else we wouldn't even know his name. Of course being intelligent doesn't entail incorruptible, as no one's perfect and we all have faults, but does that mean that we should just continue letting dumb people decide our futures, just because intelligent people aren't perfect? Our country is paralyzed by profit-driven individuals, and what really ticks me off is that we hold the idea of a mentally decrepit person with alot of money on a high pillar, but at the same time, trash the idea of an intellectually mature person who has thought through the issues, and come to a logical position, only because he lacks wealth.
 

Solo

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I think you get what I'm trying to say here, it's just that we seem to see the same thing through different color shades, same destination; different paths traveled. You mentioned the inventor of the combustion engine dropped out of high school, and? Does that mean he's stupid? Einstein was not exactly a good student in high school, and the way this current system is set up, there's a good chance that there's the next Einstein working at your grocery store, bagging your groceries, it's just that most likely they were born into middle class or poverty, and the decks already stacked against the less privileged.
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<br />Now we pick our President through the electoral college, which kind of is a result of the majority of votes from the average citizen. People's votes' ONLY have a helpful effect at solving dilemmas when there is an equality of awareness and intellect at the voting booth. If about 70% of Americans are below average intelligence, and 30% are above average intellect, and out of that 70, 40% of them vote- that still is enough to tip the scale of any election to their favor. So the 40%, signify the countries dumb, decide the futures of the mentally equipped 30%. That's part of the example I gave, if when cars were invented, we dished out opinion polls to gauge whether we would even bother using them, the majority would surely vote "no", so in turn we would still to this day be riding around in horse drawn carriages. My point is the majority isn't always right, if I'm not mistaken wasn't Hitler elected the Chancellor of Germany from the votes of the majority, how'd that turn out?
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<br />Your last paragraph sums my point up nicely. Henry Ford NEEDED people to labor for him, or else we wouldn't even know his name. Of course being intelligent doesn't entail incorruptible, as no one's perfect and we all have faults, but does that mean that we should just continue letting dumb people decide our futures, just because intelligent people aren't perfect? Our country is paralyzed by profit-driven individuals, and what really ticks me off is that we hold the idea of a mentally decrepit person with alot of money on a high pillar, but at the same time, trash the idea of an intellectually mature person who has thought through the issues, and come to a logical position, only because he lacks wealth.
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Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>it's just that we seem to see the same thing through different color shades, same destination; different paths traveled.</end quote></div>

No.
 

Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>it's just that we seem to see the same thing through different color shades, same destination; different paths traveled.</end quote></div>

No.
 

Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>it's just that we seem to see the same thing through different color shades, same destination; different paths traveled.</end quote></div>

No.
 

Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>it's just that we seem to see the same thing through different color shades, same destination; different paths traveled.</end quote>

No.
 

Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>it's just that we seem to see the same thing through different color shades, same destination; different paths traveled.</end quote>
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<br />No.
 

Solo

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How about last night's debate? It was probably John McCain's final chance to somewhat stop the bleeding. His poll numbers are taking a swan dive, and surely won't be helped by his lackluster performance last night. For one, Obama clearly looked more Presidential and at ease, while McCain was noticeably uneasy, as it was probably past his bedtime. I did notice that McCain often limped around the stage while Obama was speaking, and making stupid jokes. I really liked the part where Obama said that McCain likes to paint him as someone who is green behind the ears, someone who does not understand what's going on. And McCain interjects with a stupid hardy, har har, laugh, without missing a beat, Obama continued, "And this man was the man who sang "Bomb" Iran and called for the destruction of North Korea. That to me is not speaking softly." McCain just scooted down on his stool, cast his eyes down, and his stupid smirk disappeared faster than a prom queen's virginity on prom night, Mac was owned right in front of 63 million viewers and wanted to hide and cower behind Palin, After the debate it was crystal clear that this election is over for McCain, and his only tactic seems to be to make people afraid of Obama.

Another part I really liked was the question posed about healthcare being a right, responsibility, or a privilege. Obama's answer and explanation was awesome. He spoke about how his 53 year old mother was dying of cancer and relentlessly on the phone with insurance companies and them denying her because of a pre- existing condition. Obama then said that is "fundamentally wrong."
 

Solo

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How about last night's debate? It was probably John McCain's final chance to somewhat stop the bleeding. His poll numbers are taking a swan dive, and surely won't be helped by his lackluster performance last night. For one, Obama clearly looked more Presidential and at ease, while McCain was noticeably uneasy, as it was probably past his bedtime. I did notice that McCain often limped around the stage while Obama was speaking, and making stupid jokes. I really liked the part where Obama said that McCain likes to paint him as someone who is green behind the ears, someone who does not understand what's going on. And McCain interjects with a stupid hardy, har har, laugh, without missing a beat, Obama continued, "And this man was the man who sang "Bomb" Iran and called for the destruction of North Korea. That to me is not speaking softly." McCain just scooted down on his stool, cast his eyes down, and his stupid smirk disappeared faster than a prom queen's virginity on prom night, Mac was owned right in front of 63 million viewers and wanted to hide and cower behind Palin, After the debate it was crystal clear that this election is over for McCain, and his only tactic seems to be to make people afraid of Obama.

Another part I really liked was the question posed about healthcare being a right, responsibility, or a privilege. Obama's answer and explanation was awesome. He spoke about how his 53 year old mother was dying of cancer and relentlessly on the phone with insurance companies and them denying her because of a pre- existing condition. Obama then said that is "fundamentally wrong."
 

Solo

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How about last night's debate? It was probably John McCain's final chance to somewhat stop the bleeding. His poll numbers are taking a swan dive, and surely won't be helped by his lackluster performance last night. For one, Obama clearly looked more Presidential and at ease, while McCain was noticeably uneasy, as it was probably past his bedtime. I did notice that McCain often limped around the stage while Obama was speaking, and making stupid jokes. I really liked the part where Obama said that McCain likes to paint him as someone who is green behind the ears, someone who does not understand what's going on. And McCain interjects with a stupid hardy, har har, laugh, without missing a beat, Obama continued, "And this man was the man who sang "Bomb" Iran and called for the destruction of North Korea. That to me is not speaking softly." McCain just scooted down on his stool, cast his eyes down, and his stupid smirk disappeared faster than a prom queen's virginity on prom night, Mac was owned right in front of 63 million viewers and wanted to hide and cower behind Palin, After the debate it was crystal clear that this election is over for McCain, and his only tactic seems to be to make people afraid of Obama.

Another part I really liked was the question posed about healthcare being a right, responsibility, or a privilege. Obama's answer and explanation was awesome. He spoke about how his 53 year old mother was dying of cancer and relentlessly on the phone with insurance companies and them denying her because of a pre- existing condition. Obama then said that is "fundamentally wrong."
 

Solo

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How about last night's debate? It was probably John McCain's final chance to somewhat stop the bleeding. His poll numbers are taking a swan dive, and surely won't be helped by his lackluster performance last night. For one, Obama clearly looked more Presidential and at ease, while McCain was noticeably uneasy, as it was probably past his bedtime. I did notice that McCain often limped around the stage while Obama was speaking, and making stupid jokes. I really liked the part where Obama said that McCain likes to paint him as someone who is green behind the ears, someone who does not understand what's going on. And McCain interjects with a stupid hardy, har har, laugh, without missing a beat, Obama continued, "And this man was the man who sang "Bomb" Iran and called for the destruction of North Korea. That to me is not speaking softly." McCain just scooted down on his stool, cast his eyes down, and his stupid smirk disappeared faster than a prom queen's virginity on prom night, Mac was owned right in front of 63 million viewers and wanted to hide and cower behind Palin, After the debate it was crystal clear that this election is over for McCain, and his only tactic seems to be to make people afraid of Obama.

Another part I really liked was the question posed about healthcare being a right, responsibility, or a privilege. Obama's answer and explanation was awesome. He spoke about how his 53 year old mother was dying of cancer and relentlessly on the phone with insurance companies and them denying her because of a pre- existing condition. Obama then said that is "fundamentally wrong."
 

Solo

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How about last night's debate? It was probably John McCain's final chance to somewhat stop the bleeding. His poll numbers are taking a swan dive, and surely won't be helped by his lackluster performance last night. For one, Obama clearly looked more Presidential and at ease, while McCain was noticeably uneasy, as it was probably past his bedtime. I did notice that McCain often limped around the stage while Obama was speaking, and making stupid jokes. I really liked the part where Obama said that McCain likes to paint him as someone who is green behind the ears, someone who does not understand what's going on. And McCain interjects with a stupid hardy, har har, laugh, without missing a beat, Obama continued, "And this man was the man who sang "Bomb" Iran and called for the destruction of North Korea. That to me is not speaking softly." McCain just scooted down on his stool, cast his eyes down, and his stupid smirk disappeared faster than a prom queen's virginity on prom night, Mac was owned right in front of 63 million viewers and wanted to hide and cower behind Palin, After the debate it was crystal clear that this election is over for McCain, and his only tactic seems to be to make people afraid of Obama.
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<br />Another part I really liked was the question posed about healthcare being a right, responsibility, or a privilege. Obama's answer and explanation was awesome. He spoke about how his 53 year old mother was dying of cancer and relentlessly on the phone with insurance companies and them denying her because of a pre- existing condition. Obama then said that is "fundamentally wrong."
 
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65rosessamurai

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>CFHockeyMom</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I think we should all be made to take an I.Q. test, and only the people with average and above intelligence can vote.</end quote></div>



We found something to agree on!</end quote></div>

No-No! Giving a Politician an I.Q. Test and a Common Sense test with a little bit of a "Scruples" test would be fair, but to insinuate that all voters are to be "smart" doesn't abide by the Constitution.
Besides, from who was listed as "smart" and having a "High IQ" probably knew little or nothing about politics to make an "educated" decision to select political leaders, so being a "Rocket Scientist" is just that....Intellegence is insigificant for when it comes time to vote...however, even the, as you say, "unintellegent" (in conjunction with the "intellegent"), were to pick up a little on what is going on in the political world may actually be able to make an "educated" decision, especially in comparison to someone who just closes their eyes, or plays "Rock-Paper-Scissors", or "Eenie-Minie-Mo" and presses the "Vote" button to decide!
Rather than to be concerned about the "mental yahoos" who vote (it's their given freedom as US Citizens), shouldn't America be concerned about the non-citizen or illegal aliens who are flooding the country with their votes?! I understand that the non-citizens of the US are voting now..that's something new since I recall somewhere that you first had to be a citizen to vote!
Oh, and be sure the ballot is written in ENGLISH, too!
I'm sure the "mental yahoos" are still going to be outnumbered by those who are more fit, but the deal with non-citizens voting is Anti-American and Unconstitutional!
That's my two yen!
 
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65rosessamurai

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>CFHockeyMom</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I think we should all be made to take an I.Q. test, and only the people with average and above intelligence can vote.</end quote></div>



We found something to agree on!</end quote></div>

No-No! Giving a Politician an I.Q. Test and a Common Sense test with a little bit of a "Scruples" test would be fair, but to insinuate that all voters are to be "smart" doesn't abide by the Constitution.
Besides, from who was listed as "smart" and having a "High IQ" probably knew little or nothing about politics to make an "educated" decision to select political leaders, so being a "Rocket Scientist" is just that....Intellegence is insigificant for when it comes time to vote...however, even the, as you say, "unintellegent" (in conjunction with the "intellegent"), were to pick up a little on what is going on in the political world may actually be able to make an "educated" decision, especially in comparison to someone who just closes their eyes, or plays "Rock-Paper-Scissors", or "Eenie-Minie-Mo" and presses the "Vote" button to decide!
Rather than to be concerned about the "mental yahoos" who vote (it's their given freedom as US Citizens), shouldn't America be concerned about the non-citizen or illegal aliens who are flooding the country with their votes?! I understand that the non-citizens of the US are voting now..that's something new since I recall somewhere that you first had to be a citizen to vote!
Oh, and be sure the ballot is written in ENGLISH, too!
I'm sure the "mental yahoos" are still going to be outnumbered by those who are more fit, but the deal with non-citizens voting is Anti-American and Unconstitutional!
That's my two yen!
 
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65rosessamurai

Guest
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>CFHockeyMom</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I think we should all be made to take an I.Q. test, and only the people with average and above intelligence can vote.</end quote></div>



We found something to agree on!</end quote></div>

No-No! Giving a Politician an I.Q. Test and a Common Sense test with a little bit of a "Scruples" test would be fair, but to insinuate that all voters are to be "smart" doesn't abide by the Constitution.
Besides, from who was listed as "smart" and having a "High IQ" probably knew little or nothing about politics to make an "educated" decision to select political leaders, so being a "Rocket Scientist" is just that....Intellegence is insigificant for when it comes time to vote...however, even the, as you say, "unintellegent" (in conjunction with the "intellegent"), were to pick up a little on what is going on in the political world may actually be able to make an "educated" decision, especially in comparison to someone who just closes their eyes, or plays "Rock-Paper-Scissors", or "Eenie-Minie-Mo" and presses the "Vote" button to decide!
Rather than to be concerned about the "mental yahoos" who vote (it's their given freedom as US Citizens), shouldn't America be concerned about the non-citizen or illegal aliens who are flooding the country with their votes?! I understand that the non-citizens of the US are voting now..that's something new since I recall somewhere that you first had to be a citizen to vote!
Oh, and be sure the ballot is written in ENGLISH, too!
I'm sure the "mental yahoos" are still going to be outnumbered by those who are more fit, but the deal with non-citizens voting is Anti-American and Unconstitutional!
That's my two yen!
 
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65rosessamurai

Guest
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>CFHockeyMom</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I think we should all be made to take an I.Q. test, and only the people with average and above intelligence can vote.</end quote>



We found something to agree on!</end quote>

No-No! Giving a Politician an I.Q. Test and a Common Sense test with a little bit of a "Scruples" test would be fair, but to insinuate that all voters are to be "smart" doesn't abide by the Constitution.
Besides, from who was listed as "smart" and having a "High IQ" probably knew little or nothing about politics to make an "educated" decision to select political leaders, so being a "Rocket Scientist" is just that....Intellegence is insigificant for when it comes time to vote...however, even the, as you say, "unintellegent" (in conjunction with the "intellegent"), were to pick up a little on what is going on in the political world may actually be able to make an "educated" decision, especially in comparison to someone who just closes their eyes, or plays "Rock-Paper-Scissors", or "Eenie-Minie-Mo" and presses the "Vote" button to decide!
Rather than to be concerned about the "mental yahoos" who vote (it's their given freedom as US Citizens), shouldn't America be concerned about the non-citizen or illegal aliens who are flooding the country with their votes?! I understand that the non-citizens of the US are voting now..that's something new since I recall somewhere that you first had to be a citizen to vote!
Oh, and be sure the ballot is written in ENGLISH, too!
I'm sure the "mental yahoos" are still going to be outnumbered by those who are more fit, but the deal with non-citizens voting is Anti-American and Unconstitutional!
That's my two yen!
 
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65rosessamurai

Guest
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>CFHockeyMom</b></i>
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<br /><div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I think we should all be made to take an I.Q. test, and only the people with average and above intelligence can vote.</end quote>
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<br />We found something to agree on!</end quote>
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<br />No-No! Giving a Politician an I.Q. Test and a Common Sense test with a little bit of a "Scruples" test would be fair, but to insinuate that all voters are to be "smart" doesn't abide by the Constitution.
<br />Besides, from who was listed as "smart" and having a "High IQ" probably knew little or nothing about politics to make an "educated" decision to select political leaders, so being a "Rocket Scientist" is just that....Intellegence is insigificant for when it comes time to vote...however, even the, as you say, "unintellegent" (in conjunction with the "intellegent"), were to pick up a little on what is going on in the political world may actually be able to make an "educated" decision, especially in comparison to someone who just closes their eyes, or plays "Rock-Paper-Scissors", or "Eenie-Minie-Mo" and presses the "Vote" button to decide!
<br />Rather than to be concerned about the "mental yahoos" who vote (it's their given freedom as US Citizens), shouldn't America be concerned about the non-citizen or illegal aliens who are flooding the country with their votes?! I understand that the non-citizens of the US are voting now..that's something new since I recall somewhere that you first had to be a citizen to vote!
<br />Oh, and be sure the ballot is written in ENGLISH, too!
<br />I'm sure the "mental yahoos" are still going to be outnumbered by those who are more fit, but the deal with non-citizens voting is Anti-American and Unconstitutional!
<br />That's my two yen!
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