if you knew your unborn child had cf would you abort it

Jennifer1981

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I have done research on Domestic Adoption & International Adoption for my own knowledge since my husband and I may be taking that route in the near future.

I have spoken with Kids Peace, Catholic Charities, and Diakon. Also, my husband and I attended an orientation at Diakon.

For Domestic Adoption (Public Adoption) - Most of these children are 5 years and up. They are considered special needs by either race, age, siblings, or mental, physical, emotional issues. They could have any combination of these. They often require some sort of counseling and constant supervision for an extented period of time. These children are in many cases not adopted-out to parents with prior children due to their extensive needs.

There are on occassion children under the age of 5-years-old. However, these children suffer with maybe Fetal Acohol Syndrome, HIV, CF, Down's, or other life-threating disease or disorders. These children are up for public adoption because finding a proper equipped family is very difficult.

My husband and I looked into this a few months ago decided this was not for us. We are both 25 and this would be our first child. I'm not saying we had to adopt a baby by any means, but we were hoping to adopt a baby/toddler no more than 2-years-old. When we went to the hour orientation, you could tell they really didn't take interest into us. They were looking for foster families, or families willing to adopt an older child or sibling group. Plus, I told them I had CF, which I could see backed them up a few feet. They said it could take 2-3 years for a 2-year-old. They kept trying to push an older child. We both said, "no", because we are only 25!!! Just because I have CF and may not be able to have a child naturally shouldn't mean that I must "settle" for an older child. This would be our first child. I think I have a right to be able to at least adopt the child of my choice.

So, we ruled out domestic adoption. There is the fost-adopt program which gives you access to any infact; however, you are a foster parent only and for 2-3 years. In that 2-3 years, the child may end up yours or may go back to the biological parents. Both my husband and I weren't willing to take that risk. We may not be able to have biological children yet they give you this child saying that it's yours someday when truthfully it may not be. I couldn't imagine raising this child for 2-3 years and having to give it up. Plus for those 2-3 years, you take the child to visitation, which may be unsupervised. It's a lot of running and emotional roller coasters.

International Adoption - With this option, you have access to adopting babies with fewer health-issues vs. Domestic Adoption. In my opinion, this is what method I would go to adopt if we so choose to. Yes, it carries a hefty price tag, but it would be so worth it. We have to take out an adoption loan because really who has $30,000 right now on the spot? I do think the cost to adopt a child in need is ridiculous, but these "baby businesses" know that you WILL pay it for a child. That is the name of their game - and they are right.

However, you must look at the requirements for each country prior to stepping into the ring. I HAVE CF. Many adoption agencies already turn their head no matter how good I am, no matter what life-expectency my doc states, no matter whether I run 2 miles a day or not, and so on. The last thing you want to do is start something and be unable to finish.

My personal choice has always been to seeking a natural, biological pregnancy first. If achieved, great. If not, I would turn to adoption. Even if I achieved a natural pregnancy and wanted more children, I wished to adopt. I did not/do not have any intentions of having more than 1 pregnancy.

I do feel strongly, though, that the adoption/fostering system needs amends. To adopt younger children, there is such a wait. By law, parental rights are to be terminated after 18 months if the parents are still "unfit". Well, my county, Schuylkill County, ignores that law. Parental rights drag on for as much as 5 years, and the county gets away with it. My husband and I were advised to adopt from Berks County by Diakon (an agency) because of how corrupt our county is. All the agencies that we looked into were from out-of-county. But then, you are flagged because you don't live nearby. So infants are available, but unattainable because of the system. It's the systems fault that there are as many older children in the system that there is. They make it that way.

Private adoption is something that I have only recently been introduced to. I'm only learning about that right now so I can't comment.

Well, I'm sure that's plenty enough of a life story. Sorry about that. I just thought you wanted some questions answered, and I had lots of answers. Take care!
 

Jennifer1981

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I've beed asked about how I feel about carriers of CF having children vs. CF parents. This is my opinion:

I know I have CF. Everyday, I wake up, do my treatments, meds, and so forth. I know what to expect and how my body is upon opening my eyes. I know when there is a flare-up or when I'm coming down with a cold better than my doc in many cases. I know what treatment I need to resolve an issue in a heartbeat.

Yes, I have CF, but I am predictable. I had given trying to conceive much thought. More than half "normal" moms ever think in their whole lives. I'm just not lying on a bed to get pregnant like some teens are these days. My husband and I went through all the genetic testing, firstly. Then we checked all my PFT's, sputum cultures, x-rays, bloodwork, and everything else. I had clearance instantly. My considering to have a child was NEVER an issue with my doctor.

I want to be a MOM. A mom does more than give birth. They also raise their child. If I thought for one moment that I couldn't raise my child, I wouldn't even have children via naturally or adoption. It wouldn't be fair. Yes, I know the life span. I'm 25 so I have what 12 years left. I know. Don't need to be reminded. But I choose to look beyond that. With my numbers and good progress, there is no reason for me to limit myself. My natural born child would not have CF. So they are created "healthy" and already have a better chance at a "normal life" than I ever had. Now yes, someday I will no longer be here. That is a known fact. But best believe that my child WILL be raised for as long as possible. I wouldn't step in without knowing that I'd be there. Yes, the loss of a mom or even the struggles witnessed by my child will be hard. But hopefully, I will instill the right mentality that my child will see that despite how hard it's mommy fought, she NEVER lost hope and picked herself up to carry on. It would have a "normal life" as far as being healthy and and "equal opportunity". Something I NEVER had.

AS FAR AS 2 CARRIERS HAVING A CHILD:

Hey, everyone has their own right to make the decision as to whether or not to have a child and chance CF. I can't change or influence your decision. Neither can anyone else. I only live with CF and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I'm not the one that has to answer the burning question, "Mommy, why did you have me if you knew I might have CF". I'm not the one to face possible ridicule or resentment in the future once my child understands CF and the chances its mom and dad took with prior knowledge. I'm also not the one that has to watch my child fail to take their meds and treatments out of rebellion in their teens. Or really make any bad decision the rest of their lives because they just don't care.

Everyone has their own decision whether or not to have children. Everyone. What I think or others is irrelevant...
 

Jennifer1981

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I've beed asked about how I feel about carriers of CF having children vs. CF parents. This is my opinion:

I know I have CF. Everyday, I wake up, do my treatments, meds, and so forth. I know what to expect and how my body is upon opening my eyes. I know when there is a flare-up or when I'm coming down with a cold better than my doc in many cases. I know what treatment I need to resolve an issue in a heartbeat.

Yes, I have CF, but I am predictable. I had given trying to conceive much thought. More than half "normal" moms ever think in their whole lives. I'm just not lying on a bed to get pregnant like some teens are these days. My husband and I went through all the genetic testing, firstly. Then we checked all my PFT's, sputum cultures, x-rays, bloodwork, and everything else. I had clearance instantly. My considering to have a child was NEVER an issue with my doctor.

I want to be a MOM. A mom does more than give birth. They also raise their child. If I thought for one moment that I couldn't raise my child, I wouldn't even have children via naturally or adoption. It wouldn't be fair. Yes, I know the life span. I'm 25 so I have what 12 years left. I know. Don't need to be reminded. But I choose to look beyond that. With my numbers and good progress, there is no reason for me to limit myself. My natural born child would not have CF. So they are created "healthy" and already have a better chance at a "normal life" than I ever had. Now yes, someday I will no longer be here. That is a known fact. But best believe that my child WILL be raised for as long as possible. I wouldn't step in without knowing that I'd be there. Yes, the loss of a mom or even the struggles witnessed by my child will be hard. But hopefully, I will instill the right mentality that my child will see that despite how hard it's mommy fought, she NEVER lost hope and picked herself up to carry on. It would have a "normal life" as far as being healthy and and "equal opportunity". Something I NEVER had.

AS FAR AS 2 CARRIERS HAVING A CHILD:

Hey, everyone has their own right to make the decision as to whether or not to have a child and chance CF. I can't change or influence your decision. Neither can anyone else. I only live with CF and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I'm not the one that has to answer the burning question, "Mommy, why did you have me if you knew I might have CF". I'm not the one to face possible ridicule or resentment in the future once my child understands CF and the chances its mom and dad took with prior knowledge. I'm also not the one that has to watch my child fail to take their meds and treatments out of rebellion in their teens. Or really make any bad decision the rest of their lives because they just don't care.

Everyone has their own decision whether or not to have children. Everyone. What I think or others is irrelevant...
 

Jennifer1981

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I've beed asked about how I feel about carriers of CF having children vs. CF parents. This is my opinion:

I know I have CF. Everyday, I wake up, do my treatments, meds, and so forth. I know what to expect and how my body is upon opening my eyes. I know when there is a flare-up or when I'm coming down with a cold better than my doc in many cases. I know what treatment I need to resolve an issue in a heartbeat.

Yes, I have CF, but I am predictable. I had given trying to conceive much thought. More than half "normal" moms ever think in their whole lives. I'm just not lying on a bed to get pregnant like some teens are these days. My husband and I went through all the genetic testing, firstly. Then we checked all my PFT's, sputum cultures, x-rays, bloodwork, and everything else. I had clearance instantly. My considering to have a child was NEVER an issue with my doctor.

I want to be a MOM. A mom does more than give birth. They also raise their child. If I thought for one moment that I couldn't raise my child, I wouldn't even have children via naturally or adoption. It wouldn't be fair. Yes, I know the life span. I'm 25 so I have what 12 years left. I know. Don't need to be reminded. But I choose to look beyond that. With my numbers and good progress, there is no reason for me to limit myself. My natural born child would not have CF. So they are created "healthy" and already have a better chance at a "normal life" than I ever had. Now yes, someday I will no longer be here. That is a known fact. But best believe that my child WILL be raised for as long as possible. I wouldn't step in without knowing that I'd be there. Yes, the loss of a mom or even the struggles witnessed by my child will be hard. But hopefully, I will instill the right mentality that my child will see that despite how hard it's mommy fought, she NEVER lost hope and picked herself up to carry on. It would have a "normal life" as far as being healthy and and "equal opportunity". Something I NEVER had.

AS FAR AS 2 CARRIERS HAVING A CHILD:

Hey, everyone has their own right to make the decision as to whether or not to have a child and chance CF. I can't change or influence your decision. Neither can anyone else. I only live with CF and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I'm not the one that has to answer the burning question, "Mommy, why did you have me if you knew I might have CF". I'm not the one to face possible ridicule or resentment in the future once my child understands CF and the chances its mom and dad took with prior knowledge. I'm also not the one that has to watch my child fail to take their meds and treatments out of rebellion in their teens. Or really make any bad decision the rest of their lives because they just don't care.

Everyone has their own decision whether or not to have children. Everyone. What I think or others is irrelevant...
 

ViviansMom

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<img src="i/expressions/present.gif" border="0"> NO, a life is a gift, that's the bottom line.
I knew that my daughter was CF before she was born and by knowing we was able to get her treatments right away and start her meds from the day she was born. We had a struggle the first 2 tears but she has been hospital free for 5 years now.

She is a bright energetic child that is my whole reason for living. She enjoys life to the fullest and has found that there is nothing she can't do.

I firmly belive every life has a reason regaurdless of how short and its not for us to deside rather it is to be or not to be.
Carol
 

ViviansMom

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<img src="i/expressions/present.gif" border="0"> NO, a life is a gift, that's the bottom line.
I knew that my daughter was CF before she was born and by knowing we was able to get her treatments right away and start her meds from the day she was born. We had a struggle the first 2 tears but she has been hospital free for 5 years now.

She is a bright energetic child that is my whole reason for living. She enjoys life to the fullest and has found that there is nothing she can't do.

I firmly belive every life has a reason regaurdless of how short and its not for us to deside rather it is to be or not to be.
Carol
 

ViviansMom

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<img src="i/expressions/present.gif" border="0"> NO, a life is a gift, that's the bottom line.
I knew that my daughter was CF before she was born and by knowing we was able to get her treatments right away and start her meds from the day she was born. We had a struggle the first 2 tears but she has been hospital free for 5 years now.

She is a bright energetic child that is my whole reason for living. She enjoys life to the fullest and has found that there is nothing she can't do.

I firmly belive every life has a reason regaurdless of how short and its not for us to deside rather it is to be or not to be.
Carol
 

Ricky123

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life is a gift i have to disagree on that angle people choose to have children because it is instinct to reproduce otherwise the human race would become instinct why bring someone into the world when ya know there not going to be healthy and are going to suffer (iam talking about serious cf cases here not mild)
 

Ricky123

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life is a gift i have to disagree on that angle people choose to have children because it is instinct to reproduce otherwise the human race would become instinct why bring someone into the world when ya know there not going to be healthy and are going to suffer (iam talking about serious cf cases here not mild)
 

Ricky123

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life is a gift i have to disagree on that angle people choose to have children because it is instinct to reproduce otherwise the human race would become instinct why bring someone into the world when ya know there not going to be healthy and are going to suffer (iam talking about serious cf cases here not mild)
 

ViviansMom

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ok but how would you know is the CF would be mild or not, we all suffer from one thing or the other, we can't life with the thought of IF because IF can happen to any one .
I have also found the CF is different with every case, here where we live there are tripplets 2 have CF one doesn't, one with CF is on a trans plant list the other has not been in the hospital ever. So one can never know.
 

ViviansMom

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ok but how would you know is the CF would be mild or not, we all suffer from one thing or the other, we can't life with the thought of IF because IF can happen to any one .
I have also found the CF is different with every case, here where we live there are tripplets 2 have CF one doesn't, one with CF is on a trans plant list the other has not been in the hospital ever. So one can never know.
 

ViviansMom

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ok but how would you know is the CF would be mild or not, we all suffer from one thing or the other, we can't life with the thought of IF because IF can happen to any one .
I have also found the CF is different with every case, here where we live there are tripplets 2 have CF one doesn't, one with CF is on a trans plant list the other has not been in the hospital ever. So one can never know.
 

kswitch

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>dasjsmum</b></i>

Roe V. Wade was a long time ago, things have changed...like 500,000 plus ( I dont know the exact number for the US) people killed before birth. I dont think the people who fought the battle for a womans right to choose had that vision at the time</end quote></div>

of course they didn't have that exact vision at the time, people can't oredict the future, but they did know that if something wasn't done, things would get worse. of course the numbers get larger; population grows, and there's more of everything. it's not really fair to talk about one ballooned number and ignore the rest. it's the percentages and the consequences that are important. they needed to stop unsafe, unregualted abortions as soon as possibel before the industry became too big to battle.
 

kswitch

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>dasjsmum</b></i>

Roe V. Wade was a long time ago, things have changed...like 500,000 plus ( I dont know the exact number for the US) people killed before birth. I dont think the people who fought the battle for a womans right to choose had that vision at the time</end quote></div>

of course they didn't have that exact vision at the time, people can't oredict the future, but they did know that if something wasn't done, things would get worse. of course the numbers get larger; population grows, and there's more of everything. it's not really fair to talk about one ballooned number and ignore the rest. it's the percentages and the consequences that are important. they needed to stop unsafe, unregualted abortions as soon as possibel before the industry became too big to battle.
 

kswitch

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>dasjsmum</b></i>

Roe V. Wade was a long time ago, things have changed...like 500,000 plus ( I dont know the exact number for the US) people killed before birth. I dont think the people who fought the battle for a womans right to choose had that vision at the time</end quote></div>

of course they didn't have that exact vision at the time, people can't oredict the future, but they did know that if something wasn't done, things would get worse. of course the numbers get larger; population grows, and there's more of everything. it's not really fair to talk about one ballooned number and ignore the rest. it's the percentages and the consequences that are important. they needed to stop unsafe, unregualted abortions as soon as possibel before the industry became too big to battle.
 

Emily65Roses

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It's not a paper I wrote, it's a site I found. And I know it's biased towards pro-choice, but even if you take the lowest numbers, it's still pretty high. The problem with pre-Roe v. Wade abortion information is that... it was illegal, so there isn't really any. We know there were some, but we don't have concrete numbers. I did just get done watching a video in my Human Sexuality class that interviewed older women who had had illegal abortions in the 60s. It also interviewed some of the docs and nurses that did them. They were some pretty horrific stories.

Like I said, I know abortion is abused. I don't even agree with the abuse, despite being a liberal "hippie." But if Sally and Samantha abuse abortion, does it mean Sarah shouldn't be able to get one? Not in my opinion. That's basically all I was saying. And whether or not every Jill and Jane on the street would do a home abortion, there would be enough of them to make it a problem.
 
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