Treating Inflammation w/o anti-inflammatories

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65roses

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<i>Originally posted by: Spartan936

1) Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but massage therapy has no effect on your sinuses or lungs. Any medical doctor would agree. It does make you feel good though. I've had a few of them, but I still prefer stretching and exercise.</i>

I have to agree with CaliSally -- You need to do more research before responding with such emphasis on something which is totally incorrect. Have you ever heard of the reflexology studies? If not, do your research, have a reflexology message and see if it doesn't help....Also, please keep in mind, not everyone with CF has the lung capacity to exercise. It saddens me to see such misinformation running around this forum. Please be careful on what you say on what topics as some of the people signing on here do not have the resources which others of us have and they are taking your "advice" as medical law. No two CF people are the same....ever! What works for you may or may not work for others and you must always state this in your response.
 
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65roses

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<i>Originally posted by: Spartan936

1) Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but massage therapy has no effect on your sinuses or lungs. Any medical doctor would agree. It does make you feel good though. I've had a few of them, but I still prefer stretching and exercise.</i>

I have to agree with CaliSally -- You need to do more research before responding with such emphasis on something which is totally incorrect. Have you ever heard of the reflexology studies? If not, do your research, have a reflexology message and see if it doesn't help....Also, please keep in mind, not everyone with CF has the lung capacity to exercise. It saddens me to see such misinformation running around this forum. Please be careful on what you say on what topics as some of the people signing on here do not have the resources which others of us have and they are taking your "advice" as medical law. No two CF people are the same....ever! What works for you may or may not work for others and you must always state this in your response.
 
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65roses

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<i>Originally posted by: Spartan936

1) Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but massage therapy has no effect on your sinuses or lungs. Any medical doctor would agree. It does make you feel good though. I've had a few of them, but I still prefer stretching and exercise.</i>

I have to agree with CaliSally -- You need to do more research before responding with such emphasis on something which is totally incorrect. Have you ever heard of the reflexology studies? If not, do your research, have a reflexology message and see if it doesn't help....Also, please keep in mind, not everyone with CF has the lung capacity to exercise. It saddens me to see such misinformation running around this forum. Please be careful on what you say on what topics as some of the people signing on here do not have the resources which others of us have and they are taking your "advice" as medical law. No two CF people are the same....ever! What works for you may or may not work for others and you must always state this in your response.
 
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65roses

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<i>Originally posted by: Spartan936

1) Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but massage therapy has no effect on your sinuses or lungs. Any medical doctor would agree. It does make you feel good though. I've had a few of them, but I still prefer stretching and exercise.</i>

I have to agree with CaliSally -- You need to do more research before responding with such emphasis on something which is totally incorrect. Have you ever heard of the reflexology studies? If not, do your research, have a reflexology message and see if it doesn't help....Also, please keep in mind, not everyone with CF has the lung capacity to exercise. It saddens me to see such misinformation running around this forum. Please be careful on what you say on what topics as some of the people signing on here do not have the resources which others of us have and they are taking your "advice" as medical law. No two CF people are the same....ever! What works for you may or may not work for others and you must always state this in your response.
 
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65roses

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<i>Originally posted by: Spartan936
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<br />1) Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but massage therapy has no effect on your sinuses or lungs. Any medical doctor would agree. It does make you feel good though. I've had a few of them, but I still prefer stretching and exercise.</i>
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<br />I have to agree with CaliSally -- You need to do more research before responding with such emphasis on something which is totally incorrect. Have you ever heard of the reflexology studies? If not, do your research, have a reflexology message and see if it doesn't help....Also, please keep in mind, not everyone with CF has the lung capacity to exercise. It saddens me to see such misinformation running around this forum. Please be careful on what you say on what topics as some of the people signing on here do not have the resources which others of us have and they are taking your "advice" as medical law. No two CF people are the same....ever! What works for you may or may not work for others and you must always state this in your response.
 
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Spartan936

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I've done huge amounts of research. Years and years of it. I'm just as concerned with my health as everyone here. No one wants to feel miserable.
<br><br>
CaliSally, that's great that it helped. But one anecdotal account does not proof make. I know if I were lying on my stomach for a half an hour I would get good drainage as well. And after the massage there is no doubt you feel loose and energized. If manipulating muscle tissue somehow releases mucus, then we need evidence for how this happens. No massage therapist has come up with any.
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65 roses, is it misinformation just because you don't agree? Also, nearly all people with CF can exercise. Some more, some less. I think it goes without saying that you should do what you can.
<br><br>
I used to believe in everything alternative health related, and I tried nearly everything. I did this for years and my health suffered because of it. But when you really get down to the research and the facts, most alternative medicine falls pathetically short. It is alternative because it has never been proven to work. If it did work it would no longer be alternative.
<br><br>
That said, I don't doubt massage therapy and reflexology can help a person relax and cope with something. I meditate on occasion, and I like doing so. But I don't delude myself into thinking that my infections are going to go away, or that 'toxins' are going to magically leave my body.
<br><br>
I checked the reflexology studies on pubmed and google scholar. Most of them showed there was no difference between reflexology and placebo. The ones that did show benefit usually explained it as a great relaxation technique... or were supiciously funded and carried out by 'doctors' of reflexology.
<br><br>
I'm not anti-alternative medicine, it's just that I'm more pro-reason. I take some supplements. I do some things the doctors can't recommend yet. I was using hypertonic saline 5 years ago. I'm using glutathione because the research shows that it may be helpful, and it isn't toxic. I suspect in years to come it may be standard therapy in CF treatment.
<br><br>
There is great advice in this thread, and I'm not really 'against' any of it. The thing I want people to understand is that it's important not to put blind faith into unproven therapies. Most alternative medicine providers are not doctors. Most sell you 'necessary' products. Most make extraordinary claims not backed by science.
<br><br>
I'm not going to post in this thread again, as I've probably just started some kind of arguement. This is my opinion, and here are the facts. Take it or leave it.
<br><br>
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/reflex.html
<br><br>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine#Criticism_of_alternative_medicine
 
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Spartan936

New member
I've done huge amounts of research. Years and years of it. I'm just as concerned with my health as everyone here. No one wants to feel miserable.
<br><br>
CaliSally, that's great that it helped. But one anecdotal account does not proof make. I know if I were lying on my stomach for a half an hour I would get good drainage as well. And after the massage there is no doubt you feel loose and energized. If manipulating muscle tissue somehow releases mucus, then we need evidence for how this happens. No massage therapist has come up with any.
<br><br>
65 roses, is it misinformation just because you don't agree? Also, nearly all people with CF can exercise. Some more, some less. I think it goes without saying that you should do what you can.
<br><br>
I used to believe in everything alternative health related, and I tried nearly everything. I did this for years and my health suffered because of it. But when you really get down to the research and the facts, most alternative medicine falls pathetically short. It is alternative because it has never been proven to work. If it did work it would no longer be alternative.
<br><br>
That said, I don't doubt massage therapy and reflexology can help a person relax and cope with something. I meditate on occasion, and I like doing so. But I don't delude myself into thinking that my infections are going to go away, or that 'toxins' are going to magically leave my body.
<br><br>
I checked the reflexology studies on pubmed and google scholar. Most of them showed there was no difference between reflexology and placebo. The ones that did show benefit usually explained it as a great relaxation technique... or were supiciously funded and carried out by 'doctors' of reflexology.
<br><br>
I'm not anti-alternative medicine, it's just that I'm more pro-reason. I take some supplements. I do some things the doctors can't recommend yet. I was using hypertonic saline 5 years ago. I'm using glutathione because the research shows that it may be helpful, and it isn't toxic. I suspect in years to come it may be standard therapy in CF treatment.
<br><br>
There is great advice in this thread, and I'm not really 'against' any of it. The thing I want people to understand is that it's important not to put blind faith into unproven therapies. Most alternative medicine providers are not doctors. Most sell you 'necessary' products. Most make extraordinary claims not backed by science.
<br><br>
I'm not going to post in this thread again, as I've probably just started some kind of arguement. This is my opinion, and here are the facts. Take it or leave it.
<br><br>
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/reflex.html
<br><br>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine#Criticism_of_alternative_medicine
 
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Spartan936

New member
I've done huge amounts of research. Years and years of it. I'm just as concerned with my health as everyone here. No one wants to feel miserable.
<br><br>
CaliSally, that's great that it helped. But one anecdotal account does not proof make. I know if I were lying on my stomach for a half an hour I would get good drainage as well. And after the massage there is no doubt you feel loose and energized. If manipulating muscle tissue somehow releases mucus, then we need evidence for how this happens. No massage therapist has come up with any.
<br><br>
65 roses, is it misinformation just because you don't agree? Also, nearly all people with CF can exercise. Some more, some less. I think it goes without saying that you should do what you can.
<br><br>
I used to believe in everything alternative health related, and I tried nearly everything. I did this for years and my health suffered because of it. But when you really get down to the research and the facts, most alternative medicine falls pathetically short. It is alternative because it has never been proven to work. If it did work it would no longer be alternative.
<br><br>
That said, I don't doubt massage therapy and reflexology can help a person relax and cope with something. I meditate on occasion, and I like doing so. But I don't delude myself into thinking that my infections are going to go away, or that 'toxins' are going to magically leave my body.
<br><br>
I checked the reflexology studies on pubmed and google scholar. Most of them showed there was no difference between reflexology and placebo. The ones that did show benefit usually explained it as a great relaxation technique... or were supiciously funded and carried out by 'doctors' of reflexology.
<br><br>
I'm not anti-alternative medicine, it's just that I'm more pro-reason. I take some supplements. I do some things the doctors can't recommend yet. I was using hypertonic saline 5 years ago. I'm using glutathione because the research shows that it may be helpful, and it isn't toxic. I suspect in years to come it may be standard therapy in CF treatment.
<br><br>
There is great advice in this thread, and I'm not really 'against' any of it. The thing I want people to understand is that it's important not to put blind faith into unproven therapies. Most alternative medicine providers are not doctors. Most sell you 'necessary' products. Most make extraordinary claims not backed by science.
<br><br>
I'm not going to post in this thread again, as I've probably just started some kind of arguement. This is my opinion, and here are the facts. Take it or leave it.
<br><br>
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/reflex.html
<br><br>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine#Criticism_of_alternative_medicine
 
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Spartan936

New member
I've done huge amounts of research. Years and years of it. I'm just as concerned with my health as everyone here. No one wants to feel miserable.
<br><br>
CaliSally, that's great that it helped. But one anecdotal account does not proof make. I know if I were lying on my stomach for a half an hour I would get good drainage as well. And after the massage there is no doubt you feel loose and energized. If manipulating muscle tissue somehow releases mucus, then we need evidence for how this happens. No massage therapist has come up with any.
<br><br>
65 roses, is it misinformation just because you don't agree? Also, nearly all people with CF can exercise. Some more, some less. I think it goes without saying that you should do what you can.
<br><br>
I used to believe in everything alternative health related, and I tried nearly everything. I did this for years and my health suffered because of it. But when you really get down to the research and the facts, most alternative medicine falls pathetically short. It is alternative because it has never been proven to work. If it did work it would no longer be alternative.
<br><br>
That said, I don't doubt massage therapy and reflexology can help a person relax and cope with something. I meditate on occasion, and I like doing so. But I don't delude myself into thinking that my infections are going to go away, or that 'toxins' are going to magically leave my body.
<br><br>
I checked the reflexology studies on pubmed and google scholar. Most of them showed there was no difference between reflexology and placebo. The ones that did show benefit usually explained it as a great relaxation technique... or were supiciously funded and carried out by 'doctors' of reflexology.
<br><br>
I'm not anti-alternative medicine, it's just that I'm more pro-reason. I take some supplements. I do some things the doctors can't recommend yet. I was using hypertonic saline 5 years ago. I'm using glutathione because the research shows that it may be helpful, and it isn't toxic. I suspect in years to come it may be standard therapy in CF treatment.
<br><br>
There is great advice in this thread, and I'm not really 'against' any of it. The thing I want people to understand is that it's important not to put blind faith into unproven therapies. Most alternative medicine providers are not doctors. Most sell you 'necessary' products. Most make extraordinary claims not backed by science.
<br><br>
I'm not going to post in this thread again, as I've probably just started some kind of arguement. This is my opinion, and here are the facts. Take it or leave it.
<br><br>
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/reflex.html
<br><br>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine#Criticism_of_alternative_medicine
 
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Spartan936

New member
I've done huge amounts of research. Years and years of it. I'm just as concerned with my health as everyone here. No one wants to feel miserable.
<br><br>
CaliSally, that's great that it helped. But one anecdotal account does not proof make. I know if I were lying on my stomach for a half an hour I would get good drainage as well. And after the massage there is no doubt you feel loose and energized. If manipulating muscle tissue somehow releases mucus, then we need evidence for how this happens. No massage therapist has come up with any.
<br><br>
65 roses, is it misinformation just because you don't agree? Also, nearly all people with CF can exercise. Some more, some less. I think it goes without saying that you should do what you can.
<br><br>
I used to believe in everything alternative health related, and I tried nearly everything. I did this for years and my health suffered because of it. But when you really get down to the research and the facts, most alternative medicine falls pathetically short. It is alternative because it has never been proven to work. If it did work it would no longer be alternative.
<br><br>
That said, I don't doubt massage therapy and reflexology can help a person relax and cope with something. I meditate on occasion, and I like doing so. But I don't delude myself into thinking that my infections are going to go away, or that 'toxins' are going to magically leave my body.
<br><br>
I checked the reflexology studies on pubmed and google scholar. Most of them showed there was no difference between reflexology and placebo. The ones that did show benefit usually explained it as a great relaxation technique... or were supiciously funded and carried out by 'doctors' of reflexology.
<br><br>
I'm not anti-alternative medicine, it's just that I'm more pro-reason. I take some supplements. I do some things the doctors can't recommend yet. I was using hypertonic saline 5 years ago. I'm using glutathione because the research shows that it may be helpful, and it isn't toxic. I suspect in years to come it may be standard therapy in CF treatment.
<br><br>
There is great advice in this thread, and I'm not really 'against' any of it. The thing I want people to understand is that it's important not to put blind faith into unproven therapies. Most alternative medicine providers are not doctors. Most sell you 'necessary' products. Most make extraordinary claims not backed by science.
<br><br>
I'm not going to post in this thread again, as I've probably just started some kind of arguement. This is my opinion, and here are the facts. Take it or leave it.
<br><br>
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/reflex.html
<br><br>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine#Criticism_of_alternative_medicine
 
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babycakes

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Hey All!!

As mentioned above I'm a massage therapist...for nearly 12 years. In my experience and education, I believe it very possible to treat and alleviate inflamation from the muscle tissues. It is possible to activate a release in the sinuses using accupressure and tapotement ( this treatment doesn't have much to do with muscle tissue as much as the sinus cavity its self)

There are many modalities that therapists use to get results...essential oils, hot stones, hydrotherapy,...
As well as techniques like MLD ( manual lymph drainage) and MFR (myofascial Release).

It sounds to me like Spartan936 has never had a remedial therapy massage and possibly only a relaxation one. Relaxation therapists are not as trained or educated a Remedial therapists...and most are not registered.

Inflamation in tissue is often caused from lactic acid build up. This is a normal biproduct of the sugars that your muscles use for energy.

A therapeutic massage will release this build up and help it flush away by increasing your circulation.

So find a real remedial Massage therapist, and try going to a medi clinic to get a massage rx.

Oh and by the way I really did learn how to massage the lungs and it works very well!
 
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babycakes

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Hey All!!

As mentioned above I'm a massage therapist...for nearly 12 years. In my experience and education, I believe it very possible to treat and alleviate inflamation from the muscle tissues. It is possible to activate a release in the sinuses using accupressure and tapotement ( this treatment doesn't have much to do with muscle tissue as much as the sinus cavity its self)

There are many modalities that therapists use to get results...essential oils, hot stones, hydrotherapy,...
As well as techniques like MLD ( manual lymph drainage) and MFR (myofascial Release).

It sounds to me like Spartan936 has never had a remedial therapy massage and possibly only a relaxation one. Relaxation therapists are not as trained or educated a Remedial therapists...and most are not registered.

Inflamation in tissue is often caused from lactic acid build up. This is a normal biproduct of the sugars that your muscles use for energy.

A therapeutic massage will release this build up and help it flush away by increasing your circulation.

So find a real remedial Massage therapist, and try going to a medi clinic to get a massage rx.

Oh and by the way I really did learn how to massage the lungs and it works very well!
 
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babycakes

New member
Hey All!!

As mentioned above I'm a massage therapist...for nearly 12 years. In my experience and education, I believe it very possible to treat and alleviate inflamation from the muscle tissues. It is possible to activate a release in the sinuses using accupressure and tapotement ( this treatment doesn't have much to do with muscle tissue as much as the sinus cavity its self)

There are many modalities that therapists use to get results...essential oils, hot stones, hydrotherapy,...
As well as techniques like MLD ( manual lymph drainage) and MFR (myofascial Release).

It sounds to me like Spartan936 has never had a remedial therapy massage and possibly only a relaxation one. Relaxation therapists are not as trained or educated a Remedial therapists...and most are not registered.

Inflamation in tissue is often caused from lactic acid build up. This is a normal biproduct of the sugars that your muscles use for energy.

A therapeutic massage will release this build up and help it flush away by increasing your circulation.

So find a real remedial Massage therapist, and try going to a medi clinic to get a massage rx.

Oh and by the way I really did learn how to massage the lungs and it works very well!
 
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babycakes

New member
Hey All!!

As mentioned above I'm a massage therapist...for nearly 12 years. In my experience and education, I believe it very possible to treat and alleviate inflamation from the muscle tissues. It is possible to activate a release in the sinuses using accupressure and tapotement ( this treatment doesn't have much to do with muscle tissue as much as the sinus cavity its self)

There are many modalities that therapists use to get results...essential oils, hot stones, hydrotherapy,...
As well as techniques like MLD ( manual lymph drainage) and MFR (myofascial Release).

It sounds to me like Spartan936 has never had a remedial therapy massage and possibly only a relaxation one. Relaxation therapists are not as trained or educated a Remedial therapists...and most are not registered.

Inflamation in tissue is often caused from lactic acid build up. This is a normal biproduct of the sugars that your muscles use for energy.

A therapeutic massage will release this build up and help it flush away by increasing your circulation.

So find a real remedial Massage therapist, and try going to a medi clinic to get a massage rx.

Oh and by the way I really did learn how to massage the lungs and it works very well!
 
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babycakes

New member
Hey All!!
<br />
<br />As mentioned above I'm a massage therapist...for nearly 12 years. In my experience and education, I believe it very possible to treat and alleviate inflamation from the muscle tissues. It is possible to activate a release in the sinuses using accupressure and tapotement ( this treatment doesn't have much to do with muscle tissue as much as the sinus cavity its self)
<br />
<br />There are many modalities that therapists use to get results...essential oils, hot stones, hydrotherapy,...
<br />As well as techniques like MLD ( manual lymph drainage) and MFR (myofascial Release).
<br />
<br />It sounds to me like Spartan936 has never had a remedial therapy massage and possibly only a relaxation one. Relaxation therapists are not as trained or educated a Remedial therapists...and most are not registered.
<br />
<br />Inflamation in tissue is often caused from lactic acid build up. This is a normal biproduct of the sugars that your muscles use for energy.
<br />
<br />A therapeutic massage will release this build up and help it flush away by increasing your circulation.
<br />
<br />So find a real remedial Massage therapist, and try going to a medi clinic to get a massage rx.
<br />
<br />Oh and by the way I really did learn how to massage the lungs and it works very well!
 
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CaliSally

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Spartan936</b></i>
CaliSally, that's great that it helped. But one anecdotal account does not proof make.
I know if I were lying on my stomach for a half an hour I would get good drainage as well.
And after the massage there is no doubt you feel loose and energized. If manipulating muscle tissue somehow releases mucus, then we need evidence for how this happens. No massage therapist has come up with any.

The thing I want people to understand is that it's important not to put blind faith into unproven therapies. Most alternative medicine providers are not doctors. Most sell you 'necessary' products. Most make extraordinary claims not backed by science.

I'm not going to post in this thread again, as I've probably just started some kind of arguement. This is my opinion, and here are the facts. Take it or leave it.

</end quote></div>

It's people like you that give the board a bad name...
You couldn't have made more errors in your assumptions if you tried.

1) Your assumptions that my results were based on ONE experience were wrong. I get massages as I can afford them, which equal a handful a year. I'm 42, you do the math.
2) I'm more intelligent and scientific than to base a result on ONE experience.
3) If my results had anything to do with laying on my stomach for a half hour, why do I not get those results at home, every night?
4) Why do we need "evidence" when my experiences speak for themselves?
5) How is our experiences with "alternative medicine" considered <i>blind faith</i> to you? Isn't blind faith the act of believing in something without proof? I would venture to guess that most around here are like me, more scientific about their health than the general population - having a chronic illness creates that kind of person. So, others claims to benefits are probably based on their own research - not yours.
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You can leave the thread now, since it seems your only purpose here is to be cinical and tell everyone they are wrong. How is that beneficial? Your postings aren't in line with my questions anyway, and when most of us can't comment directly to someone's questions on a thread, they skip it and leave it for someone else with that particular experience.

I don't believe in the hocus pocus side of alternative medicine either - but those of us who have benefited didn't simply regurgitate statements and claims made by others, we are talking about OUR first hand experience.
 
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CaliSally

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Spartan936</b></i>
CaliSally, that's great that it helped. But one anecdotal account does not proof make.
I know if I were lying on my stomach for a half an hour I would get good drainage as well.
And after the massage there is no doubt you feel loose and energized. If manipulating muscle tissue somehow releases mucus, then we need evidence for how this happens. No massage therapist has come up with any.

The thing I want people to understand is that it's important not to put blind faith into unproven therapies. Most alternative medicine providers are not doctors. Most sell you 'necessary' products. Most make extraordinary claims not backed by science.

I'm not going to post in this thread again, as I've probably just started some kind of arguement. This is my opinion, and here are the facts. Take it or leave it.

</end quote></div>

It's people like you that give the board a bad name...
You couldn't have made more errors in your assumptions if you tried.

1) Your assumptions that my results were based on ONE experience were wrong. I get massages as I can afford them, which equal a handful a year. I'm 42, you do the math.
2) I'm more intelligent and scientific than to base a result on ONE experience.
3) If my results had anything to do with laying on my stomach for a half hour, why do I not get those results at home, every night?
4) Why do we need "evidence" when my experiences speak for themselves?
5) How is our experiences with "alternative medicine" considered <i>blind faith</i> to you? Isn't blind faith the act of believing in something without proof? I would venture to guess that most around here are like me, more scientific about their health than the general population - having a chronic illness creates that kind of person. So, others claims to benefits are probably based on their own research - not yours.
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You can leave the thread now, since it seems your only purpose here is to be cinical and tell everyone they are wrong. How is that beneficial? Your postings aren't in line with my questions anyway, and when most of us can't comment directly to someone's questions on a thread, they skip it and leave it for someone else with that particular experience.

I don't believe in the hocus pocus side of alternative medicine either - but those of us who have benefited didn't simply regurgitate statements and claims made by others, we are talking about OUR first hand experience.
 
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CaliSally

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Spartan936</b></i>
CaliSally, that's great that it helped. But one anecdotal account does not proof make.
I know if I were lying on my stomach for a half an hour I would get good drainage as well.
And after the massage there is no doubt you feel loose and energized. If manipulating muscle tissue somehow releases mucus, then we need evidence for how this happens. No massage therapist has come up with any.

The thing I want people to understand is that it's important not to put blind faith into unproven therapies. Most alternative medicine providers are not doctors. Most sell you 'necessary' products. Most make extraordinary claims not backed by science.

I'm not going to post in this thread again, as I've probably just started some kind of arguement. This is my opinion, and here are the facts. Take it or leave it.

</end quote></div>

It's people like you that give the board a bad name...
You couldn't have made more errors in your assumptions if you tried.

1) Your assumptions that my results were based on ONE experience were wrong. I get massages as I can afford them, which equal a handful a year. I'm 42, you do the math.
2) I'm more intelligent and scientific than to base a result on ONE experience.
3) If my results had anything to do with laying on my stomach for a half hour, why do I not get those results at home, every night?
4) Why do we need "evidence" when my experiences speak for themselves?
5) How is our experiences with "alternative medicine" considered <i>blind faith</i> to you? Isn't blind faith the act of believing in something without proof? I would venture to guess that most around here are like me, more scientific about their health than the general population - having a chronic illness creates that kind of person. So, others claims to benefits are probably based on their own research - not yours.
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You can leave the thread now, since it seems your only purpose here is to be cinical and tell everyone they are wrong. How is that beneficial? Your postings aren't in line with my questions anyway, and when most of us can't comment directly to someone's questions on a thread, they skip it and leave it for someone else with that particular experience.

I don't believe in the hocus pocus side of alternative medicine either - but those of us who have benefited didn't simply regurgitate statements and claims made by others, we are talking about OUR first hand experience.
 
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CaliSally

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Spartan936</b></i>
CaliSally, that's great that it helped. But one anecdotal account does not proof make.
I know if I were lying on my stomach for a half an hour I would get good drainage as well.
And after the massage there is no doubt you feel loose and energized. If manipulating muscle tissue somehow releases mucus, then we need evidence for how this happens. No massage therapist has come up with any.

The thing I want people to understand is that it's important not to put blind faith into unproven therapies. Most alternative medicine providers are not doctors. Most sell you 'necessary' products. Most make extraordinary claims not backed by science.

I'm not going to post in this thread again, as I've probably just started some kind of arguement. This is my opinion, and here are the facts. Take it or leave it.

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It's people like you that give the board a bad name...
You couldn't have made more errors in your assumptions if you tried.

1) Your assumptions that my results were based on ONE experience were wrong. I get massages as I can afford them, which equal a handful a year. I'm 42, you do the math.
2) I'm more intelligent and scientific than to base a result on ONE experience.
3) If my results had anything to do with laying on my stomach for a half hour, why do I not get those results at home, every night?
4) Why do we need "evidence" when my experiences speak for themselves?
5) How is our experiences with "alternative medicine" considered <i>blind faith</i> to you? Isn't blind faith the act of believing in something without proof? I would venture to guess that most around here are like me, more scientific about their health than the general population - having a chronic illness creates that kind of person. So, others claims to benefits are probably based on their own research - not yours.
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You can leave the thread now, since it seems your only purpose here is to be cinical and tell everyone they are wrong. How is that beneficial? Your postings aren't in line with my questions anyway, and when most of us can't comment directly to someone's questions on a thread, they skip it and leave it for someone else with that particular experience.

I don't believe in the hocus pocus side of alternative medicine either - but those of us who have benefited didn't simply regurgitate statements and claims made by others, we are talking about OUR first hand experience.
 
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Spartan936</b></i>
<br />CaliSally, that's great that it helped. But one anecdotal account does not proof make.
<br />I know if I were lying on my stomach for a half an hour I would get good drainage as well.
<br />And after the massage there is no doubt you feel loose and energized. If manipulating muscle tissue somehow releases mucus, then we need evidence for how this happens. No massage therapist has come up with any.
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<br />The thing I want people to understand is that it's important not to put blind faith into unproven therapies. Most alternative medicine providers are not doctors. Most sell you 'necessary' products. Most make extraordinary claims not backed by science.
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<br />I'm not going to post in this thread again, as I've probably just started some kind of arguement. This is my opinion, and here are the facts. Take it or leave it.
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<br />It's people like you that give the board a bad name...
<br />You couldn't have made more errors in your assumptions if you tried.
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<br />1) Your assumptions that my results were based on ONE experience were wrong. I get massages as I can afford them, which equal a handful a year. I'm 42, you do the math.
<br />2) I'm more intelligent and scientific than to base a result on ONE experience.
<br />3) If my results had anything to do with laying on my stomach for a half hour, why do I not get those results at home, every night?
<br />4) Why do we need "evidence" when my experiences speak for themselves?
<br />5) How is our experiences with "alternative medicine" considered <i>blind faith</i> to you? Isn't blind faith the act of believing in something without proof? I would venture to guess that most around here are like me, more scientific about their health than the general population - having a chronic illness creates that kind of person. So, others claims to benefits are probably based on their own research - not yours.
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<br />You can leave the thread now, since it seems your only purpose here is to be cinical and tell everyone they are wrong. How is that beneficial? Your postings aren't in line with my questions anyway, and when most of us can't comment directly to someone's questions on a thread, they skip it and leave it for someone else with that particular experience.
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<br />I don't believe in the hocus pocus side of alternative medicine either - but those of us who have benefited didn't simply regurgitate statements and claims made by others, we are talking about OUR first hand experience.
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