When you thought about having children what did you do?

[Sakem]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>


My professional life doesn't negatively affect an innocent child who relies on me for affection, bonding, guidance, etc.

You analogy about career compared to kids doesn't hold water.

Call my crazy, but I don't think about what I want to be remembered for. I don't do things and think "

I am going to school because I want to improve myself, not because I want to be remembered as a grad student.

I work hard at my job because I enjoy what I do, and I don't do anything in my life unless I give it my all. The results come from that

And I don't travel so that people, after I'm dead, say "gee, she traveled a lot." I do it because I enjoy seeing the world.</end quote></div>


Exactly, you could not have children and professional life at the same time. So you've chosen a professional life, which is fine. If you don' t want to be remembered for what u do, why do u feel the need to brag on yourself for being the "#1" salesperson? Sounds like you are looking for everyone to be really impressed by your gloating. Finally, traveling is not by no means, especially overseas, is easy on anyone's health. You risk contaminating yourself on a plane and if your health declines while over there, you know you would not recieve the same expert care you would here in the states.

 

[Sakem]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>


My professional life doesn't negatively affect an innocent child who relies on me for affection, bonding, guidance, etc.

You analogy about career compared to kids doesn't hold water.

Call my crazy, but I don't think about what I want to be remembered for. I don't do things and think "

I am going to school because I want to improve myself, not because I want to be remembered as a grad student.

I work hard at my job because I enjoy what I do, and I don't do anything in my life unless I give it my all. The results come from that

And I don't travel so that people, after I'm dead, say "gee, she traveled a lot." I do it because I enjoy seeing the world.</end quote></div>


Exactly, you could not have children and professional life at the same time. So you've chosen a professional life, which is fine. If you don' t want to be remembered for what u do, why do u feel the need to brag on yourself for being the "#1" salesperson? Sounds like you are looking for everyone to be really impressed by your gloating. Finally, traveling is not by no means, especially overseas, is easy on anyone's health. You risk contaminating yourself on a plane and if your health declines while over there, you know you would not recieve the same expert care you would here in the states.

 

[Sakem]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>


My professional life doesn't negatively affect an innocent child who relies on me for affection, bonding, guidance, etc.

You analogy about career compared to kids doesn't hold water.

Call my crazy, but I don't think about what I want to be remembered for. I don't do things and think "

I am going to school because I want to improve myself, not because I want to be remembered as a grad student.

I work hard at my job because I enjoy what I do, and I don't do anything in my life unless I give it my all. The results come from that

And I don't travel so that people, after I'm dead, say "gee, she traveled a lot." I do it because I enjoy seeing the world.</end quote>


Exactly, you could not have children and professional life at the same time. So you've chosen a professional life, which is fine. If you don' t want to be remembered for what u do, why do u feel the need to brag on yourself for being the "#1" salesperson? Sounds like you are looking for everyone to be really impressed by your gloating. Finally, traveling is not by no means, especially overseas, is easy on anyone's health. You risk contaminating yourself on a plane and if your health declines while over there, you know you would not recieve the same expert care you would here in the states.

 

[Sakem]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>


My professional life doesn't negatively affect an innocent child who relies on me for affection, bonding, guidance, etc.

You analogy about career compared to kids doesn't hold water.

Call my crazy, but I don't think about what I want to be remembered for. I don't do things and think "

I am going to school because I want to improve myself, not because I want to be remembered as a grad student.

I work hard at my job because I enjoy what I do, and I don't do anything in my life unless I give it my all. The results come from that

And I don't travel so that people, after I'm dead, say "gee, she traveled a lot." I do it because I enjoy seeing the world.</end quote>


Exactly, you could not have children and professional life at the same time. So you've chosen a professional life, which is fine. If you don' t want to be remembered for what u do, why do u feel the need to brag on yourself for being the "#1" salesperson? Sounds like you are looking for everyone to be really impressed by your gloating. Finally, traveling is not by no means, especially overseas, is easy on anyone's health. You risk contaminating yourself on a plane and if your health declines while over there, you know you would not recieve the same expert care you would here in the states.

 

[NoExcuses]

No I'm not trying to impres anyone. I was proving a point. I was told that I live like a mole and let CF get in the way... I was just using that to demonstrate that what that person said was far from the truth. You don't see that?!?!?!

But you avoided addressing the error in your logic. You stated that working is as hard, or more so, than raising a child. But you still fail to address how different raising a kid and a career is in terms of negatively impacting an innocent child. I'm assuming you didn't address this because you realize that you can't defend your statement. It doesn't hold water. Care to address that?

I have chosen my career because I know I will not be having children. And I make no apologies for my career and how I enjoy it. My choices for my career, as you said, would be 180 degrees different if I thought kids would be a wise idea for someone with my disease.

 

[NoExcuses]

No I'm not trying to impres anyone. I was proving a point. I was told that I live like a mole and let CF get in the way... I was just using that to demonstrate that what that person said was far from the truth. You don't see that?!?!?!

But you avoided addressing the error in your logic. You stated that working is as hard, or more so, than raising a child. But you still fail to address how different raising a kid and a career is in terms of negatively impacting an innocent child. I'm assuming you didn't address this because you realize that you can't defend your statement. It doesn't hold water. Care to address that?

I have chosen my career because I know I will not be having children. And I make no apologies for my career and how I enjoy it. My choices for my career, as you said, would be 180 degrees different if I thought kids would be a wise idea for someone with my disease.

 

[NoExcuses]

No I'm not trying to impres anyone. I was proving a point. I was told that I live like a mole and let CF get in the way... I was just using that to demonstrate that what that person said was far from the truth. You don't see that?!?!?!

But you avoided addressing the error in your logic. You stated that working is as hard, or more so, than raising a child. But you still fail to address how different raising a kid and a career is in terms of negatively impacting an innocent child. I'm assuming you didn't address this because you realize that you can't defend your statement. It doesn't hold water. Care to address that?

I have chosen my career because I know I will not be having children. And I make no apologies for my career and how I enjoy it. My choices for my career, as you said, would be 180 degrees different if I thought kids would be a wise idea for someone with my disease.

 

[NoExcuses]

No I'm not trying to impres anyone. I was proving a point. I was told that I live like a mole and let CF get in the way... I was just using that to demonstrate that what that person said was far from the truth. You don't see that?!?!?!

But you avoided addressing the error in your logic. You stated that working is as hard, or more so, than raising a child. But you still fail to address how different raising a kid and a career is in terms of negatively impacting an innocent child. I'm assuming you didn't address this because you realize that you can't defend your statement. It doesn't hold water. Care to address that?

I have chosen my career because I know I will not be having children. And I make no apologies for my career and how I enjoy it. My choices for my career, as you said, would be 180 degrees different if I thought kids would be a wise idea for someone with my disease.

 

[NoExcuses]

No I'm not trying to impres anyone. I was proving a point. I was told that I live like a mole and let CF get in the way... I was just using that to demonstrate that what that person said was far from the truth. You don't see that?!?!?!

But you avoided addressing the error in your logic. You stated that working is as hard, or more so, than raising a child. But you still fail to address how different raising a kid and a career is in terms of negatively impacting an innocent child. I'm assuming you didn't address this because you realize that you can't defend your statement. It doesn't hold water. Care to address that?

I have chosen my career because I know I will not be having children. And I make no apologies for my career and how I enjoy it. My choices for my career, as you said, would be 180 degrees different if I thought kids would be a wise idea for someone with my disease.

 

[NoExcuses]

No I'm not trying to impres anyone. I was proving a point. I was told that I live like a mole and let CF get in the way... I was just using that to demonstrate that what that person said was far from the truth. You don't see that?!?!?!

But you avoided addressing the error in your logic. You stated that working is as hard, or more so, than raising a child. But you still fail to address how different raising a kid and a career is in terms of negatively impacting an innocent child. I'm assuming you didn't address this because you realize that you can't defend your statement. It doesn't hold water. Care to address that?

I have chosen my career because I know I will not be having children. And I make no apologies for my career and how I enjoy it. My choices for my career, as you said, would be 180 degrees different if I thought kids would be a wise idea for someone with my disease.

 

[coltsfan715]

Holy wow! This has gotten so ridiculous.

I honestly just have to say something and I know it is not really my place and does not involve me - but in a way it does because I have come back to read this thread looking to see other people's opinions on the topic at hand and had to wade through all the unnecessary comments.

I can honestly say and many here (including Amy) will probably agree that Amy and I have had our issues in the past, but seriously I am struggling to see what it is that she said in this thread that prompted people to jump on her. Her original post was concise and to the point. That is typical Amy style. It wasn't rude or anything above and beyond what she has said in regards to this topic before.

I would be one of the first to say - dang that was harsh - to ANYONE that made a harsh comment - and honestly I think that Amy hasn't said anything harsh enough to warrant people jumping on her the way that it has happened this time around. The only times something "harsh" has been said by her is when she was defending her stance and AFTER harsh comments were made towards her.

So yeah - this topic is very individual and she posted HER INDIVIDUAL opinion on what HER situation is and HER opinion is - it is no one elses but hers just as mine is mine alone. Our opinions maybe so similar we can not diffrentiate or so opposite that we can't even figure out what the question was to begin with, BUT they are each OUR OWN OPINIONS.

Let's move on from this because it is going nowhere good and getting there very fast.

Props to those not having kids and standing up for what THEY think is RIGHT and RESPECTABLE. Props to those having kids despite having CF and the limitations it MAY put on them - props to those that are still great parents despite what they deal with. Each situation is different and we need to back off and just try to understand where the other person is coming from instead of taking everything so incredibly personal all the time.

Take Care,
Lindsey

Sorry if that was too wordy or out of line - but come on --- this post has gotten WAY off topic.

So yeah - back to the original question.

 

[coltsfan715]

Holy wow! This has gotten so ridiculous.

I honestly just have to say something and I know it is not really my place and does not involve me - but in a way it does because I have come back to read this thread looking to see other people's opinions on the topic at hand and had to wade through all the unnecessary comments.

I can honestly say and many here (including Amy) will probably agree that Amy and I have had our issues in the past, but seriously I am struggling to see what it is that she said in this thread that prompted people to jump on her. Her original post was concise and to the point. That is typical Amy style. It wasn't rude or anything above and beyond what she has said in regards to this topic before.

I would be one of the first to say - dang that was harsh - to ANYONE that made a harsh comment - and honestly I think that Amy hasn't said anything harsh enough to warrant people jumping on her the way that it has happened this time around. The only times something "harsh" has been said by her is when she was defending her stance and AFTER harsh comments were made towards her.

So yeah - this topic is very individual and she posted HER INDIVIDUAL opinion on what HER situation is and HER opinion is - it is no one elses but hers just as mine is mine alone. Our opinions maybe so similar we can not diffrentiate or so opposite that we can't even figure out what the question was to begin with, BUT they are each OUR OWN OPINIONS.

Let's move on from this because it is going nowhere good and getting there very fast.

Props to those not having kids and standing up for what THEY think is RIGHT and RESPECTABLE. Props to those having kids despite having CF and the limitations it MAY put on them - props to those that are still great parents despite what they deal with. Each situation is different and we need to back off and just try to understand where the other person is coming from instead of taking everything so incredibly personal all the time.

Take Care,
Lindsey

Sorry if that was too wordy or out of line - but come on --- this post has gotten WAY off topic.

So yeah - back to the original question.

 

[coltsfan715]

Holy wow! This has gotten so ridiculous.

I honestly just have to say something and I know it is not really my place and does not involve me - but in a way it does because I have come back to read this thread looking to see other people's opinions on the topic at hand and had to wade through all the unnecessary comments.

I can honestly say and many here (including Amy) will probably agree that Amy and I have had our issues in the past, but seriously I am struggling to see what it is that she said in this thread that prompted people to jump on her. Her original post was concise and to the point. That is typical Amy style. It wasn't rude or anything above and beyond what she has said in regards to this topic before.

I would be one of the first to say - dang that was harsh - to ANYONE that made a harsh comment - and honestly I think that Amy hasn't said anything harsh enough to warrant people jumping on her the way that it has happened this time around. The only times something "harsh" has been said by her is when she was defending her stance and AFTER harsh comments were made towards her.

So yeah - this topic is very individual and she posted HER INDIVIDUAL opinion on what HER situation is and HER opinion is - it is no one elses but hers just as mine is mine alone. Our opinions maybe so similar we can not diffrentiate or so opposite that we can't even figure out what the question was to begin with, BUT they are each OUR OWN OPINIONS.

Let's move on from this because it is going nowhere good and getting there very fast.

Props to those not having kids and standing up for what THEY think is RIGHT and RESPECTABLE. Props to those having kids despite having CF and the limitations it MAY put on them - props to those that are still great parents despite what they deal with. Each situation is different and we need to back off and just try to understand where the other person is coming from instead of taking everything so incredibly personal all the time.

Take Care,
Lindsey

Sorry if that was too wordy or out of line - but come on --- this post has gotten WAY off topic.

So yeah - back to the original question.

 

[coltsfan715]

Holy wow! This has gotten so ridiculous.

I honestly just have to say something and I know it is not really my place and does not involve me - but in a way it does because I have come back to read this thread looking to see other people's opinions on the topic at hand and had to wade through all the unnecessary comments.

I can honestly say and many here (including Amy) will probably agree that Amy and I have had our issues in the past, but seriously I am struggling to see what it is that she said in this thread that prompted people to jump on her. Her original post was concise and to the point. That is typical Amy style. It wasn't rude or anything above and beyond what she has said in regards to this topic before.

I would be one of the first to say - dang that was harsh - to ANYONE that made a harsh comment - and honestly I think that Amy hasn't said anything harsh enough to warrant people jumping on her the way that it has happened this time around. The only times something "harsh" has been said by her is when she was defending her stance and AFTER harsh comments were made towards her.

So yeah - this topic is very individual and she posted HER INDIVIDUAL opinion on what HER situation is and HER opinion is - it is no one elses but hers just as mine is mine alone. Our opinions maybe so similar we can not diffrentiate or so opposite that we can't even figure out what the question was to begin with, BUT they are each OUR OWN OPINIONS.

Let's move on from this because it is going nowhere good and getting there very fast.

Props to those not having kids and standing up for what THEY think is RIGHT and RESPECTABLE. Props to those having kids despite having CF and the limitations it MAY put on them - props to those that are still great parents despite what they deal with. Each situation is different and we need to back off and just try to understand where the other person is coming from instead of taking everything so incredibly personal all the time.

Take Care,
Lindsey

Sorry if that was too wordy or out of line - but come on --- this post has gotten WAY off topic.

So yeah - back to the original question.

 

[coltsfan715]

Holy wow! This has gotten so ridiculous.

I honestly just have to say something and I know it is not really my place and does not involve me - but in a way it does because I have come back to read this thread looking to see other people's opinions on the topic at hand and had to wade through all the unnecessary comments.

I can honestly say and many here (including Amy) will probably agree that Amy and I have had our issues in the past, but seriously I am struggling to see what it is that she said in this thread that prompted people to jump on her. Her original post was concise and to the point. That is typical Amy style. It wasn't rude or anything above and beyond what she has said in regards to this topic before.

I would be one of the first to say - dang that was harsh - to ANYONE that made a harsh comment - and honestly I think that Amy hasn't said anything harsh enough to warrant people jumping on her the way that it has happened this time around. The only times something "harsh" has been said by her is when she was defending her stance and AFTER harsh comments were made towards her.

So yeah - this topic is very individual and she posted HER INDIVIDUAL opinion on what HER situation is and HER opinion is - it is no one elses but hers just as mine is mine alone. Our opinions maybe so similar we can not diffrentiate or so opposite that we can't even figure out what the question was to begin with, BUT they are each OUR OWN OPINIONS.

Let's move on from this because it is going nowhere good and getting there very fast.

Props to those not having kids and standing up for what THEY think is RIGHT and RESPECTABLE. Props to those having kids despite having CF and the limitations it MAY put on them - props to those that are still great parents despite what they deal with. Each situation is different and we need to back off and just try to understand where the other person is coming from instead of taking everything so incredibly personal all the time.

Take Care,
Lindsey

Sorry if that was too wordy or out of line - but come on --- this post has gotten WAY off topic.

So yeah - back to the original question.

 

[coltsfan715]

Holy wow! This has gotten so ridiculous.

I honestly just have to say something and I know it is not really my place and does not involve me - but in a way it does because I have come back to read this thread looking to see other people's opinions on the topic at hand and had to wade through all the unnecessary comments.

I can honestly say and many here (including Amy) will probably agree that Amy and I have had our issues in the past, but seriously I am struggling to see what it is that she said in this thread that prompted people to jump on her. Her original post was concise and to the point. That is typical Amy style. It wasn't rude or anything above and beyond what she has said in regards to this topic before.

I would be one of the first to say - dang that was harsh - to ANYONE that made a harsh comment - and honestly I think that Amy hasn't said anything harsh enough to warrant people jumping on her the way that it has happened this time around. The only times something "harsh" has been said by her is when she was defending her stance and AFTER harsh comments were made towards her.

So yeah - this topic is very individual and she posted HER INDIVIDUAL opinion on what HER situation is and HER opinion is - it is no one elses but hers just as mine is mine alone. Our opinions maybe so similar we can not diffrentiate or so opposite that we can't even figure out what the question was to begin with, BUT they are each OUR OWN OPINIONS.

Let's move on from this because it is going nowhere good and getting there very fast.

Props to those not having kids and standing up for what THEY think is RIGHT and RESPECTABLE. Props to those having kids despite having CF and the limitations it MAY put on them - props to those that are still great parents despite what they deal with. Each situation is different and we need to back off and just try to understand where the other person is coming from instead of taking everything so incredibly personal all the time.

Take Care,
Lindsey

Sorry if that was too wordy or out of line - but come on --- this post has gotten WAY off topic.

So yeah - back to the original question.

 

[Sakem]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

different if I thought kids would be a wise idea for someone with my disease.</end quote></div>

I don't need to address it, again you already did with your response, if "I" thought it would be wise for someone with my disease. That's just it, that is your decission, but not everyones. I would not have kids having CF myself, but I am not going to tell someone else, I know nothing about their situation that having a child is selfish or even wrong. Just because you have CF does not mean your not going to be around to raise them....and kids are more resiliant than u give them credit for . There are plently of great single parents out there, either by choice or circumstances, that are raising well adjusted children. If we used your logic half the country would not be allowed to reproduce, while it may sound good on the service, and save our government a lot of money, we don't live in China. Everyday there are parents that are taken away from their child. So should no one with children be in the military, because oh my god, when they go away for a year, that child is going to be permently scared and probably always have feelings of insecurities, that their parent may leave them again at anytime.

The world is not perfect, I would rather raise a child that new the reality of my death, than to raise a child that thought I was invincible. I personally experienced this as a child, whose parent was violently murdered, if only they could of had an illness that I knew would cause their death and I had hope for a cure and a chance to tell them goodbye.

 

[Sakem]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

different if I thought kids would be a wise idea for someone with my disease.</end quote></div>

I don't need to address it, again you already did with your response, if "I" thought it would be wise for someone with my disease. That's just it, that is your decission, but not everyones. I would not have kids having CF myself, but I am not going to tell someone else, I know nothing about their situation that having a child is selfish or even wrong. Just because you have CF does not mean your not going to be around to raise them....and kids are more resiliant than u give them credit for . There are plently of great single parents out there, either by choice or circumstances, that are raising well adjusted children. If we used your logic half the country would not be allowed to reproduce, while it may sound good on the service, and save our government a lot of money, we don't live in China. Everyday there are parents that are taken away from their child. So should no one with children be in the military, because oh my god, when they go away for a year, that child is going to be permently scared and probably always have feelings of insecurities, that their parent may leave them again at anytime.

The world is not perfect, I would rather raise a child that new the reality of my death, than to raise a child that thought I was invincible. I personally experienced this as a child, whose parent was violently murdered, if only they could of had an illness that I knew would cause their death and I had hope for a cure and a chance to tell them goodbye.

 

[Sakem]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

different if I thought kids would be a wise idea for someone with my disease.</end quote></div>

I don't need to address it, again you already did with your response, if "I" thought it would be wise for someone with my disease. That's just it, that is your decission, but not everyones. I would not have kids having CF myself, but I am not going to tell someone else, I know nothing about their situation that having a child is selfish or even wrong. Just because you have CF does not mean your not going to be around to raise them....and kids are more resiliant than u give them credit for . There are plently of great single parents out there, either by choice or circumstances, that are raising well adjusted children. If we used your logic half the country would not be allowed to reproduce, while it may sound good on the service, and save our government a lot of money, we don't live in China. Everyday there are parents that are taken away from their child. So should no one with children be in the military, because oh my god, when they go away for a year, that child is going to be permently scared and probably always have feelings of insecurities, that their parent may leave them again at anytime.

The world is not perfect, I would rather raise a child that new the reality of my death, than to raise a child that thought I was invincible. I personally experienced this as a child, whose parent was violently murdered, if only they could of had an illness that I knew would cause their death and I had hope for a cure and a chance to tell them goodbye.

 

[Sakem]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

different if I thought kids would be a wise idea for someone with my disease.</end quote></div>

I don't need to address it, again you already did with your response, if "I" thought it would be wise for someone with my disease. That's just it, that is your decission, but not everyones. I would not have kids having CF myself, but I am not going to tell someone else, I know nothing about their situation that having a child is selfish or even wrong. Just because you have CF does not mean your not going to be around to raise them....and kids are more resiliant than u give them credit for . There are plently of great single parents out there, either by choice or circumstances, that are raising well adjusted children. If we used your logic half the country would not be allowed to reproduce, while it may sound good on the service, and save our government a lot of money, we don't live in China. Everyday there are parents that are taken away from their child. So should no one with children be in the military, because oh my god, when they go away for a year, that child is going to be permently scared and probably always have feelings of insecurities, that their parent may leave them again at anytime.

The world is not perfect, I would rather raise a child that new the reality of my death, than to raise a child that thought I was invincible. I personally experienced this as a child, whose parent was violently murdered, if only they could of had an illness that I knew would cause their death and I had hope for a cure and a chance to tell them goodbye.