Smoking Marijuana as a CF Patient

[Scarlett81]

Were you trying to support your argument by posting that article, b/c I didn't get that it said pot was unharmful....No one here has claimed that you do it once and bam, you'll lose your lung function overnight. Its over time, which the study you showed says nothing about, so it really doesn't pertain. To be clear-a cfer smokes one cigarette, they won't die. Its doing it again and again we're talking about. And no one here is talking about eating pot, we're talking about strictly inhaling smoke of any kind being dangerous. I'm not an advocate of saying go eat a brownie, but yeah I'd rather someone did that than smoked it.

And saying that b/c lots of people don't do their treatments or aren't compliant justifies using pot-thats a ridiculous argument. It sounds kindergarten-ish.

Anyone that has more questions about this, I'd say ask your doctor or a nurse if you want a professional opinion. Or do some unbiased research, perhaps in medical encyclopedias. Just know what you're doing. I prefer researching things in books at the library or acredited online sources only-there's alot of crap on the internet. Sites seem reliable and trustworthy and they print whatever they want b/c there's less restrictions on what you can print on an internet site.

 

[Emily65Roses]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>
I'm not an advocate of saying go eat a brownie, but yeah I'd rather someone did that than smoked it.</end quote></div>

Just thought I'd be funny for a second. I'd rather someone ate it than smoked it, yes. But I will also advocate by saying "Go eat a brownie!" I did it this past week and it was awesome. It had been a while, I had forgotten how awesome it was. LOL <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

 

[Emily65Roses]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>
I'm not an advocate of saying go eat a brownie, but yeah I'd rather someone did that than smoked it.</end quote></div>

Just thought I'd be funny for a second. I'd rather someone ate it than smoked it, yes. But I will also advocate by saying "Go eat a brownie!" I did it this past week and it was awesome. It had been a while, I had forgotten how awesome it was. LOL <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

 

[Emily65Roses]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>
I'm not an advocate of saying go eat a brownie, but yeah I'd rather someone did that than smoked it.</end quote></div>

Just thought I'd be funny for a second. I'd rather someone ate it than smoked it, yes. But I will also advocate by saying "Go eat a brownie!" I did it this past week and it was awesome. It had been a while, I had forgotten how awesome it was. LOL <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

 

[Ender]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

Were you trying to support your argument by posting that article, b/c I didn't get that it said pot was unharmful....No one here has claimed that you do it once and bam, you'll lose your lung function overnight. Its over time, which the study you showed says nothing about, so it really doesn't pertain. To be clear-a cfer smokes one cigarette, they won't die. Its doing it again and again we're talking about. And no one here is talking about eating pot, we're talking about strictly inhaling smoke of any kind being dangerous. I'm not an advocate of saying go eat a brownie, but yeah I'd rather someone did that than smoked it.



<b>And saying that b/c lots of people don't do their treatments or aren't compliant justifies using pot-thats a ridiculous argument. It sounds kindergarten-ish.
</b>


Anyone that has more questions about this, I'd say ask your doctor or a nurse if you want a professional opinion. Or do some unbiased research, perhaps in medical encyclopedias. Just know what you're doing. I prefer researching things in books at the library or acredited online sources only-there's alot of crap on the internet. Sites seem reliable and trustworthy and they print whatever they want b/c there's less restrictions on what you can print on an internet site.</end quote></div>

It doen't justify it. I just think it's funny that everyone is so quick to jump on pot smokers, when non compliance is probably a lot worse, and it to is something you have choice over. That's the bottom line...it's about choice.

That study did say that tobacco smoke shows no short term lung decline in cf patients. Yes that does pertain to tobacco. However, you could assume that marijuana smoke would have similar results. AND it also says that it can alleviate some symptoms for individuals. So if it does seem to help...WHY NOT.

And that whole propaganda issue is ridiculous as well. How many deaths does alcohol cause a year? How many people overdose on alcohol, do stupid crap on it...black out and not remember what they did. If things were reversed, and marijuana was legal, you would say the same stuff about alcohol, and in my opinion, that would be a lot better of an argument.

1 000 000 dollars says that if i smoked pot once a week, and did all of my recommended treatments every day (I know some of you do, and i am not trying to make light of how hard some of you work. Trust me...i don't do too much, and i think it's a lot. I have utmost respect for all of you) I would have better lung function then someone saying you're doomed if you smoke weed, yet is only partially compliant. So UNTIL you 100% complaint...how can you really judge what is good and what isn't.

I know I'm arguing smoking weed here, and even i wonder why I am bothering, because ya, it can be harmful. I'm just annoyed at people having such strong opinions without anything behind them...

Kiel

 

[Ender]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

Were you trying to support your argument by posting that article, b/c I didn't get that it said pot was unharmful....No one here has claimed that you do it once and bam, you'll lose your lung function overnight. Its over time, which the study you showed says nothing about, so it really doesn't pertain. To be clear-a cfer smokes one cigarette, they won't die. Its doing it again and again we're talking about. And no one here is talking about eating pot, we're talking about strictly inhaling smoke of any kind being dangerous. I'm not an advocate of saying go eat a brownie, but yeah I'd rather someone did that than smoked it.



<b>And saying that b/c lots of people don't do their treatments or aren't compliant justifies using pot-thats a ridiculous argument. It sounds kindergarten-ish.
</b>


Anyone that has more questions about this, I'd say ask your doctor or a nurse if you want a professional opinion. Or do some unbiased research, perhaps in medical encyclopedias. Just know what you're doing. I prefer researching things in books at the library or acredited online sources only-there's alot of crap on the internet. Sites seem reliable and trustworthy and they print whatever they want b/c there's less restrictions on what you can print on an internet site.</end quote></div>

It doen't justify it. I just think it's funny that everyone is so quick to jump on pot smokers, when non compliance is probably a lot worse, and it to is something you have choice over. That's the bottom line...it's about choice.

That study did say that tobacco smoke shows no short term lung decline in cf patients. Yes that does pertain to tobacco. However, you could assume that marijuana smoke would have similar results. AND it also says that it can alleviate some symptoms for individuals. So if it does seem to help...WHY NOT.

And that whole propaganda issue is ridiculous as well. How many deaths does alcohol cause a year? How many people overdose on alcohol, do stupid crap on it...black out and not remember what they did. If things were reversed, and marijuana was legal, you would say the same stuff about alcohol, and in my opinion, that would be a lot better of an argument.

1 000 000 dollars says that if i smoked pot once a week, and did all of my recommended treatments every day (I know some of you do, and i am not trying to make light of how hard some of you work. Trust me...i don't do too much, and i think it's a lot. I have utmost respect for all of you) I would have better lung function then someone saying you're doomed if you smoke weed, yet is only partially compliant. So UNTIL you 100% complaint...how can you really judge what is good and what isn't.

I know I'm arguing smoking weed here, and even i wonder why I am bothering, because ya, it can be harmful. I'm just annoyed at people having such strong opinions without anything behind them...

Kiel

 

[Ender]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

Were you trying to support your argument by posting that article, b/c I didn't get that it said pot was unharmful....No one here has claimed that you do it once and bam, you'll lose your lung function overnight. Its over time, which the study you showed says nothing about, so it really doesn't pertain. To be clear-a cfer smokes one cigarette, they won't die. Its doing it again and again we're talking about. And no one here is talking about eating pot, we're talking about strictly inhaling smoke of any kind being dangerous. I'm not an advocate of saying go eat a brownie, but yeah I'd rather someone did that than smoked it.



<b>And saying that b/c lots of people don't do their treatments or aren't compliant justifies using pot-thats a ridiculous argument. It sounds kindergarten-ish.
</b>


Anyone that has more questions about this, I'd say ask your doctor or a nurse if you want a professional opinion. Or do some unbiased research, perhaps in medical encyclopedias. Just know what you're doing. I prefer researching things in books at the library or acredited online sources only-there's alot of crap on the internet. Sites seem reliable and trustworthy and they print whatever they want b/c there's less restrictions on what you can print on an internet site.</end quote></div>

It doen't justify it. I just think it's funny that everyone is so quick to jump on pot smokers, when non compliance is probably a lot worse, and it to is something you have choice over. That's the bottom line...it's about choice.

That study did say that tobacco smoke shows no short term lung decline in cf patients. Yes that does pertain to tobacco. However, you could assume that marijuana smoke would have similar results. AND it also says that it can alleviate some symptoms for individuals. So if it does seem to help...WHY NOT.

And that whole propaganda issue is ridiculous as well. How many deaths does alcohol cause a year? How many people overdose on alcohol, do stupid crap on it...black out and not remember what they did. If things were reversed, and marijuana was legal, you would say the same stuff about alcohol, and in my opinion, that would be a lot better of an argument.

1 000 000 dollars says that if i smoked pot once a week, and did all of my recommended treatments every day (I know some of you do, and i am not trying to make light of how hard some of you work. Trust me...i don't do too much, and i think it's a lot. I have utmost respect for all of you) I would have better lung function then someone saying you're doomed if you smoke weed, yet is only partially compliant. So UNTIL you 100% complaint...how can you really judge what is good and what isn't.

I know I'm arguing smoking weed here, and even i wonder why I am bothering, because ya, it can be harmful. I'm just annoyed at people having such strong opinions without anything behind them...

Kiel

 

[mum2kj]

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html
">http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html
</a>
"In other studies, smoked marijuana has been shown to cause a variety of health problems, including cancer, respiratory problems, increased heart rate, loss of motor skills, and increased heart rate. Furthermore, marijuana can affect the immune system by impairing the ability of T-cells to fight off infections, demonstrating that marijuana can do more harm than good in people with already compromised immune systems."

'Smoking marijuana also weakens the immune system4 and raises the risk of lung infections. A Columbia University study found that a control group smoking a single marijuana cigarette every other day for a year had a white-blood-cell count that was 39 percent lower than normal, thus damaging the immune system and making the user far more susceptible to infection and sickness."

People with c/f have an already weakend immune system, why on earth would you want to lower it even further?

 

[mum2kj]

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html
">http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html
</a>
"In other studies, smoked marijuana has been shown to cause a variety of health problems, including cancer, respiratory problems, increased heart rate, loss of motor skills, and increased heart rate. Furthermore, marijuana can affect the immune system by impairing the ability of T-cells to fight off infections, demonstrating that marijuana can do more harm than good in people with already compromised immune systems."

'Smoking marijuana also weakens the immune system4 and raises the risk of lung infections. A Columbia University study found that a control group smoking a single marijuana cigarette every other day for a year had a white-blood-cell count that was 39 percent lower than normal, thus damaging the immune system and making the user far more susceptible to infection and sickness."

People with c/f have an already weakend immune system, why on earth would you want to lower it even further?

 

[mum2kj]

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html
">http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html
</a>
"In other studies, smoked marijuana has been shown to cause a variety of health problems, including cancer, respiratory problems, increased heart rate, loss of motor skills, and increased heart rate. Furthermore, marijuana can affect the immune system by impairing the ability of T-cells to fight off infections, demonstrating that marijuana can do more harm than good in people with already compromised immune systems."

'Smoking marijuana also weakens the immune system4 and raises the risk of lung infections. A Columbia University study found that a control group smoking a single marijuana cigarette every other day for a year had a white-blood-cell count that was 39 percent lower than normal, thus damaging the immune system and making the user far more susceptible to infection and sickness."

People with c/f have an already weakend immune system, why on earth would you want to lower it even further?

 

[Ender]

I would have to argue that our immune system is not weakend...it is actually overactive. It's the proliferation of cytokines and excessive white blood cell accumulation that contribues a HUGE cause to lung degredation.

Case in point..Jenn is on HUGE doses of antiinflammatories. They are known to decrease inflammation and the immune system. Although she does get sick often...how much damage has acutually occured to her lungs...and what is her fev1?

Obviously for cf weakening the immune system is not the answer...however controling it is...

 

[Ender]

I would have to argue that our immune system is not weakend...it is actually overactive. It's the proliferation of cytokines and excessive white blood cell accumulation that contribues a HUGE cause to lung degredation.

Case in point..Jenn is on HUGE doses of antiinflammatories. They are known to decrease inflammation and the immune system. Although she does get sick often...how much damage has acutually occured to her lungs...and what is her fev1?

Obviously for cf weakening the immune system is not the answer...however controling it is...

 

[Ender]

I would have to argue that our immune system is not weakend...it is actually overactive. It's the proliferation of cytokines and excessive white blood cell accumulation that contribues a HUGE cause to lung degredation.

Case in point..Jenn is on HUGE doses of antiinflammatories. They are known to decrease inflammation and the immune system. Although she does get sick often...how much damage has acutually occured to her lungs...and what is her fev1?

Obviously for cf weakening the immune system is not the answer...however controling it is...

 

[Hermit]

Ok. Smoke weed once or twice a year at your discretion. But don't you DARE tell ME about it. And don't you DARE try to tell me it doesn't harm you!

As a person from B.C. (where the best weed in the world grows, according to many potheads) I am exposed to daily talks on the legalization of marijuana from folks both healthy and ill, addicted and "social smokers", well-educated and less.

In my experience, weed does absolutely nothing to help a person's life in the long run. I have had three friends now go from being motivated, brilliant, enthusiastic individuals following their dreams, to depressed, university drop-outs with criminal records. They have no money because they spend it all on weed. One of them became a meth addict through marijuana because he needed something more powerful after a few years to get him through the day. And every one of these guys INSIST that weed is a) Not harmful at all to anyone, b) they're NOT addicted and could stop at any time, and c) weed has improved their lives.

Maybe...maybe. But from an outsider's point of view, does this sound like an improvement? One of these guys is a genius, an actual genius, who has fried so many of his braincells from daily pot-smoking that he now pees his bed. He suffers from chronic depression now because the THC has screwed up the chemicals in his body and brain. And his lungs?

Well, here's the root of my opinion about the harmful effects of pot: These friends had normal lungs--better than normal lungs even, because two of them were sponsored athletes in mountain biking and snowboarding. Now, when we go riding (when they're actually MOTIVATED ENOUGH TO GO and not just sit on the couch eating cheezies) together they're coughing as much as I am!!! They're just as short of breath as I am too!

How can anyone even suggest this is good for you? It's ludicrous. Not only that, but it's a TOTAL SLAP IN THE FACE for me, personally, to see someone with healthy lungs smoking anything.
It's just like a rich person standing in front of a homeless panhandler on the street with wads of hundred dollar bills, ripping them up and lightiing them on fire and laughing, just to have a good time for a while. Sad.

I'm not judging anyone who smokes weed, because maybe once in awhile it does have benefits, and surely for people in palliative care who don't have any life left to throw away anyway it might be a better alternative than morphine...but please don't try to suggest that it's a treatment for CF. That just burrrrrrns.

 

[Hermit]

Ok. Smoke weed once or twice a year at your discretion. But don't you DARE tell ME about it. And don't you DARE try to tell me it doesn't harm you!

As a person from B.C. (where the best weed in the world grows, according to many potheads) I am exposed to daily talks on the legalization of marijuana from folks both healthy and ill, addicted and "social smokers", well-educated and less.

In my experience, weed does absolutely nothing to help a person's life in the long run. I have had three friends now go from being motivated, brilliant, enthusiastic individuals following their dreams, to depressed, university drop-outs with criminal records. They have no money because they spend it all on weed. One of them became a meth addict through marijuana because he needed something more powerful after a few years to get him through the day. And every one of these guys INSIST that weed is a) Not harmful at all to anyone, b) they're NOT addicted and could stop at any time, and c) weed has improved their lives.

Maybe...maybe. But from an outsider's point of view, does this sound like an improvement? One of these guys is a genius, an actual genius, who has fried so many of his braincells from daily pot-smoking that he now pees his bed. He suffers from chronic depression now because the THC has screwed up the chemicals in his body and brain. And his lungs?

Well, here's the root of my opinion about the harmful effects of pot: These friends had normal lungs--better than normal lungs even, because two of them were sponsored athletes in mountain biking and snowboarding. Now, when we go riding (when they're actually MOTIVATED ENOUGH TO GO and not just sit on the couch eating cheezies) together they're coughing as much as I am!!! They're just as short of breath as I am too!

How can anyone even suggest this is good for you? It's ludicrous. Not only that, but it's a TOTAL SLAP IN THE FACE for me, personally, to see someone with healthy lungs smoking anything.
It's just like a rich person standing in front of a homeless panhandler on the street with wads of hundred dollar bills, ripping them up and lightiing them on fire and laughing, just to have a good time for a while. Sad.

I'm not judging anyone who smokes weed, because maybe once in awhile it does have benefits, and surely for people in palliative care who don't have any life left to throw away anyway it might be a better alternative than morphine...but please don't try to suggest that it's a treatment for CF. That just burrrrrrns.

 

[Hermit]

Ok. Smoke weed once or twice a year at your discretion. But don't you DARE tell ME about it. And don't you DARE try to tell me it doesn't harm you!

As a person from B.C. (where the best weed in the world grows, according to many potheads) I am exposed to daily talks on the legalization of marijuana from folks both healthy and ill, addicted and "social smokers", well-educated and less.

In my experience, weed does absolutely nothing to help a person's life in the long run. I have had three friends now go from being motivated, brilliant, enthusiastic individuals following their dreams, to depressed, university drop-outs with criminal records. They have no money because they spend it all on weed. One of them became a meth addict through marijuana because he needed something more powerful after a few years to get him through the day. And every one of these guys INSIST that weed is a) Not harmful at all to anyone, b) they're NOT addicted and could stop at any time, and c) weed has improved their lives.

Maybe...maybe. But from an outsider's point of view, does this sound like an improvement? One of these guys is a genius, an actual genius, who has fried so many of his braincells from daily pot-smoking that he now pees his bed. He suffers from chronic depression now because the THC has screwed up the chemicals in his body and brain. And his lungs?

Well, here's the root of my opinion about the harmful effects of pot: These friends had normal lungs--better than normal lungs even, because two of them were sponsored athletes in mountain biking and snowboarding. Now, when we go riding (when they're actually MOTIVATED ENOUGH TO GO and not just sit on the couch eating cheezies) together they're coughing as much as I am!!! They're just as short of breath as I am too!

How can anyone even suggest this is good for you? It's ludicrous. Not only that, but it's a TOTAL SLAP IN THE FACE for me, personally, to see someone with healthy lungs smoking anything.
It's just like a rich person standing in front of a homeless panhandler on the street with wads of hundred dollar bills, ripping them up and lightiing them on fire and laughing, just to have a good time for a while. Sad.

I'm not judging anyone who smokes weed, because maybe once in awhile it does have benefits, and surely for people in palliative care who don't have any life left to throw away anyway it might be a better alternative than morphine...but please don't try to suggest that it's a treatment for CF. That just burrrrrrns.

 

[Hermit]

Then again...maybe I'm just jealous.

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[Hermit]

Then again...maybe I'm just jealous.

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[Hermit]

Then again...maybe I'm just jealous.

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[jbrandonAW]

No offense but NO research is going to say anything good about mj b/c its an illegal substance and they would not want good publicity for a drugs they DON'T want you to use. Now thay being said, Smoking pot has been in my family for a while. We aren't hippies or anything, in fact we are your average everyday family. However my grama has nerve problems (shes like 65) and my mom is an OCD freak(explains how I got that way), My little sister is your average semi-popular chick, and I'm the odd kid. Well anyways, I started smoking pot about 1 1/2 ago, I did it to unwind because zoloft just wasn't cutting it. Well I didn't do extra treatments or anything, in fact I still do they pretty irregularly. BUT I have been keeping track of my lung function for about the past year (since switching the the adult cf center) I have had a 10% increase in my lung function since smoking. I believe smoking has atributed to my increase. -side note- I quit smoking a while back for a period of 3 months and noticed a 4% decrease in fev1-

2 reasons - One, if your inhaling to get the "most" high you take deap breathes and hold them in. This is causing you to actively work and expand your airways.
Second, the first 3 hits if done deaply enough will make the most productive cough. I produce more thick, sticky mucus than I have with ANY OTHER TREATMENT (i've tried them all - Hypetonic saline does help to produce a similar productive cough)

Now of course there are the down sides as to any medicine, for example I'm sick and on IV meds, I don't smoke b/c if I have any bleeding (hemop) I it tends to worsen it (but then again any inhale meds does this). Also I tend to become quiet lazy, and I know physical activity is very healthy. (I'm a house wife and my hubby is in BCT so I don't do have much to do anyways)

Marajana is a plant guys, if done right NOTHING added. The tar and nicotine are what damage the lungs with cigs. Do not assume people who smoke are dumb and some are not stupid kids looking to act cool. I researched and activlely studied my body and its effects. I have recently decided to start exercing and doing cpt on a regular basis, in hopes of raising function faster.

It may not be for everyone, but those who look into seriously as a "medicine" see its just like any other otc or script, it has its pros and cons